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JDCanuck
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What is green Hydrogen? Years ago, Lencho suggested this in this very thread as a partial solution to climate change initiatives in global shipping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaWxRTmDC4
Not only has ThyssenKrupp's commitment to green hydrogen use been tackling the CO2 issue, it's been extremely rewarding to investors in TKMS
especially in these troubled times. South Korea's Hanwha is following a similar strategy, and is another rapidly growing Marine supplier. It's the
technology of the future, like it or not.
[Edited on 8-27-2025 by JDCanuck]
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David K
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Goat, the climate IS changing and it ALWAYS has been. Taxing Americans more won't change a natural event.
I notice you stopped saying the sea level is rising at some alarming rate... so with your eyes open now, just love the earth and the people instead of
blaming others for something they have no part in.
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Goat, the climate IS changing and it ALWAYS has been. Taxing Americans more won't change a natural event.
I notice you stopped saying the sea level is rising at some alarming rate... so with your eyes open now, just love the earth and the people instead of
blaming others for something they have no part in.
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In the 70's Goat told everyone the Earth would soon be covered in glaciers. That didn't happen. So he changed his story. Then he told us Florida
would be underwater. That didn't happen and he changed is the story again.
It's a pattern with him. Heck, for 3 months of this year he went on a tirade once a week about the price of eggs. I told him they would come down.
Now, not a peep about eggs. 
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surabi
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In 2025 JZ claimed to know what a poster on BajaNomads said in the 70's, when JZ was barely out of diapers.
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mtgoat666
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I got only vague memories of what i may have said when i was in elementary school and junior high, dont recall having any opinion about glaciers,
other than they were fun to climb on (many glaciers from my childhood in cascades are now gone, due to global warming,… contributing to sea level
rise!)
And i doubt many cared what i said in the 70s
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“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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Record-torching March heat ‘virtually impossible’ without climate change
Multiple all-time March heat records crumpled on Wednesday and Thursday, March 18-19, as one of the most extreme weather events in world history
blitzed the Southwest U.S. and far northwest Mexico with unprecedented March heat. Many locations have been hit with their earliest
100-degree-Fahrenheit weather on record, smashing all-time March and even April records, and temperatures are expected to soar even higher in some
areas Friday and Saturday as the heat crescendoes.
A rapid attribution study released Friday by the research group World Weather Attribution concluded that the current heat wave would be virtually
impossible in a world without human-induced climate change. Global temperatures have risen by around 1.3 degrees Celsius since preindustrial times,
but the affected region is warming more dramatically than many other parts of the world, and a lengthening “long tail” at the hot end of the
climate spectrum now allows the most extreme regional heat episodes to warm by substantially more than 1.3 degrees Celsius.
Among the findings in the rapid attribution study:
Hotter and more likely: The mercury in this heat wave has risen about 1.4°F (0.8°C) higher than it would have just a decade ago, and about 4.7
degrees Fahrenheit (2.6°C) higher than it would have in a preindustrial world.
Rarity of the event: Despite its increasing likelihood, a heat wave on this scale is still a rare event in today’s climate and is expected to occur
about once every 500 years at any one spot.
Timing: Across the hardest-hit area, March is the month now showing the most substantial long-term warming signal for heat extremes. Typical March
temperatures have risen by as much as 6 degrees Celsius in parts of this region.
Rapidity of the change: In just a decade, an event on par with this one has become about four times more likely due to climate change.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2026/03/record-torching-m...
[Edited on 3-21-2026 by mtgoat666]
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mtgoat666
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Hot water, change in fisheries…
Interesting that last year sea surface temps in winter along BCS Pacific coast were 4 c below average, and same time this year are 4 c above
average… 8 c swing is huge.
West Coast Waters Experiencing Another Large Marine Heatwave
A massive marine heatwave has dominated waters off the West Coast since last summer. This marks only the third time on record that such a large
section of the coastal ocean has remained so warm for so long—particularly into winter months—without it being an El Niño, NOAA scientists
report. NOAA Fisheries and our partners are tracking possible heatwave impacts, which can include harmful algal blooms that can sicken marine mammals
and close shellfish fisheries.
Third Time as Warm
At one point last September, the current marine heatwave rivaled the enormous 2013–2016 marine heatwave known as “The Blob” in terms of size and
surface temperatures. The current heatwave has raised the temperature of waters along the West Coast roughly 3 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit above normal.
On September 9, 2025, the northeast Pacific reached its highest ever average temperature of 20.6 degrees Celsius, or about 69 degrees Fahrenheit.
That’s almost a half-degree warmer than ever before. Past marine heatwaves shook up marine ecosystems that drove shifts of species, die-offs, and
other disruptions of ecosystems in the Northeast Pacific Ocean.
Marine heat waves off the West coast, showing departure from normal sea surface temperatures, 1990-2025. Credit: NOAA Fisheries/Southwest Fisheries
Science Center
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“We have forecast tools that provide some insight, but we are also watching carefully for implications on the marine ecosystem,” said Andrew
Leising, a research oceanographer at NOAA Fisheries’ Southwest Fisheries Science Center. He runs the California Current Marine Heatwave Tracker. The
tracker has been documenting marine heatwaves off the West Coast through NOAA data from satellites, ships, and buoys since 2019.
The North Pacific has repeatedly hit record or near-record temperatures since The Blob. Like others before it, the current marine heatwave weakened
and receded from the coast in October and November 2025. Unlike others, it has since strengthened and returned. “We’re in La Niña, but water
temperatures along our coast look much different,” Leising said. “The conditions are hard to reconcile. We want to be cautious in our
interpretation, but at the same time this is not a situation that we have seen before.”
Heatwaves Shift Species
The current heatwave has brought news of species in unusual areas, such as tunas caught in large numbers in Alaska last fall. The Blob and other
marine heatwaves have been shown to reduce the survival of salmon in the ocean, leaving fewer fish to catch and to return to rivers to spawn. “We
know these marine heatwaves alter ecosystem conditions, which affects fish and other marine life,” Leising said. “We’re very interested in what
the fishing fleet and others who are out on the water are seeing and are looking into new ways to collect this information. Are there species in
unusual places, or what might be changing?”
In addition, the unusual warmth could begin to set the stage for a repeat of last year’s harmful algal bloom off Southern California. It hit
unusually early in 2025 and killed hundreds of California sea lions, dolphins, and seabirds. Harmful algal blooms can also close fisheries, especially
recreational fisheries involving shellfish that concentrate the toxins, affecting the coastal economy.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/west-coast-wate...
Marine heat wave forecast:
https://psl.noaa.gov/marine-heatwaves/
What’s it mean for baja pac coast? Hotter water, northward shift in fish species…
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JZ
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Yawn.
True, climate changes. Also true, man can't stop climate change.
The Climate Crisis is just one big grift by politicians to get rich and control people. It's been that way for 60 years now. Don't be a fool and
fall for it. 
[Edited on 3-21-2026 by JZ]
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If mankind was the cause of the recent glacier disappearance what, pray tell, caused the end of the last Ice Age 15,000 years ago when glaciers all
the way down to mid-America retreated north and disappeared? They were MASSIVE glaciers and glacial activity thousands of times larger than what we
have lost in the last 30 or 40 years. That takes a lot of HEAT AND NOBODY was here then. No people, no electricity, no cars and trucks, no trains, no
nothing but wilderness and a few Neanderthals.
How about a discussion on the tilt of the earth's axis and its affect on climate?
Didn't Al Gore say we would be dead by now if we didn't join his carbon offset scheme? And that was what? 30 years ago? He gave us 10 years IIRC
The climate has always changed for 5 billion years. Adapt or die off has been going on for as long.
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surabi
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I could have predicted that one of the resident science deniers would be along in short order with their idiotic "the climate has always been
changing" ignorance.
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Cliffy
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Are you denying that the glaciers disappeared without mankind's intervention?
Did the glaciers disappear or not?
Was man the cause for it?
Simple questions with simple answers.
Tell me how YOU account for the disappearance of the last Ice Age.
Could it have happened if the earth got colder then?
The fact remains that the climate has been changing since before the dinosaurs. BTW the climate was warmer than now and had more O2 in the atmosphere
than we have now in the days of the dinosaurs .
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surabi
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Asking the same questions endlessly, to which you have already been given science-based answers and explanations multiple times and choose to ignore,
makes it evident that your uninformed opinions and beliefs are what you are attached to, and have zero interest in learning anything. So your posts on
this subject are pointless.
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Cliffy
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You have NEVER answered the base question-
What caused the Ice Age glaciers to disappear BEFORE mankind
arrived in any numbers?
Its easy to spout platitudes of your belief and never answer the base question. Who's avoiding science now?
Or is it only "good" science when it supports your argument by taking it out of the larger context?
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work.
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surabi
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Your "base" question is imbecilic. Obviously glaciers melt because of higher temperatures, duh. Current climate change crisis has to do with the rate
of change and is directly and scientifically proven to be caused by human activity. But of course trying to explain this simple concept to you is like
talking to a wall.
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surabi
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You're right about one thing- it's all about money and power. Billionnaires and corporations destroying the environment and the climate for personal
profit.
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No I didn’t. Those supposed rising sea levels have yet to get ANY closer to the famous old palm tree. Not to worry though, climate alarmists won’t
let on the ground facts ruin their money making panic machine.
I am a bit surprised one of the fanatics hasn’t killed the tree yet. It standing there is a danger to their BIG LIE.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work. |
The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.
Any statement about the future is "guesswork" to some degree.
Install a spelling and grammar checker.
[Edited on 3-22-2026 by SFandH]
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Th only thing the tree huggers can say is - "the climate is changing"
OK given that- So what! Prognostications of what will happen are just blind guesses and nothing more.
The USA and the EU could go to zero emissions and nothing would change due to the emissions of the rest of the world.
Yet the tree huggers want us to fund trillions of dollars of green actions for NOTHING GAINED.
AS I said before, its a worldwide issue and until it gets a world wide response NOTHING will change.
China and India aren't going to sign on so you're beating a dead horse
if you think all this effort will make a meaningful difference in the worldwide climate- It won't!
Come out of your hole and look at the basic physics on a worldwide scale.
Is the climate changing- YES
What does that mean? Who the hell knows- its only guess work
So what if the ocean goes up a foot in a thousand years
Who gives a damn!
People adapt over time. They always have They always will
To quote a famous oracle (Rush) Adapt or die!
That's been the way of the world for 5 BILLION years.
You ain't going to change it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work. |
The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.
Any statement about the future is "guesswork" to some degree.
Install a spelling and grammar checker.
[Edited on 3-22-2026 by SFandH] |
I didn't know I was turning in a PhD dissertation on the English Language
Maybe I should submit it to my son with a Masters in English before I post.
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mtgoat666
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The science is clear, greenhouse gas emissions from industrialization has caused detrimental climate change. Reasonable people can debate how to
mitigate the ghg emissions. Ignorant people are stuck on denial of basic science.
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