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[*] posted on 5-21-2007 at 09:18 PM
Loreto's Water..


We have seen a great improvement with our "city" water preasure, since the the re-piping has begun in Loreto "Central":yes:.
I can't imagine that we will be able to continue to pay a flat fee for our water as we have for the past 24 years to the city. While other areas of the city have been charged sometimes higher rates, our neighborhood has enjoyed a rate of $10 - 16, per month. Some of this has been tied to the peso-dollar exchange, but still a steady rate has been provided.
We also setup a separate well pump on the property to get water for plant watering. There is a underground stream/ source about 20 ft down that allows for this. (I always wondered if it might be one of Loreto's broken water lines?)

Paula > We were up at Primer Agua last year, and the pools still had water in them. The location should be given back to the people of Loreto, as it is such a big part of their history:no:

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[*] posted on 5-21-2007 at 10:27 PM


you know where i stand sharks and i know where you stand weater its today or yesterday makes no difference it was developed and is now a working busness 70 years is a very short time ??
more important is that things will be developed and all added costs of the bs will be passed on to the end users so if you thing your a consurvationist your barking up the wrong tree you are now part of the problem insted of the sulution
old hippy whos payroll you hailing from?? if you know what the true effect of the effluent of a sewer system are on the surounding area and how it need to be handeled spill it?? its gona be built so tell us wonderboy how will the efflunt be handeled??
yes paula im very much intrested in how the locals will survive i believe the local natives come first as they have and if they deside to sell then they sell they give up ownership just like everyone else in the free world
i dont think the real subjects should be covered up by the few gringoes telling the natives how they must react 50 years ago the sold their land and in january they sold some more and i expect there was and will be more sales the city fathers are responsibale for representing the locales no a bunch of dogooder gringoes who only have there own agenda for their purposes
building there own homes on the beach but wanting noone else to have a beach home there busness is on the water front but lets stop waterfront busness?? anyone who cant see the narrow mindness of this is blind
i mentioned chicken coops well i was talking about LB guess i was wrong so far i see the cheep leading the sheep even the golfers in loreto wont stand up for them selves simply bowout of coments when their bell is rung
dont get me wrong i have nothing against sharks or his busness i have injoyed eating at his place and will in the future im just showing the parelles
god knows how messed up the good old USof A is dont bring it to baja
I sugest all gringoes in baja STOP LOOK and LISTEN to whats going on around you its mexico not the usa let it be mexico remember your a guest act acordingly




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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 12:21 AM


Jerry, Ck your spelling. Bruce doesn't stand a chance against you. If you want to voice your opinion, aleast be able use spell ck:o:o:o
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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 12:59 AM
Not blind


I see exactly what happens when a golf course is installed. More of the same. I'd much rather see people(with little or no money) using the same areas to live, fish and spend quality time.
If you think I contributed to the demise of coastline you know me not.

I waged an agressive campaign along with few others in CA to prevent a development so the public could continue to use the land that was guaranteed theirs according to CA law. I was instrumental in striking a deal with the Coastal Zone Commision, The Army Corps and The Attorney Generals office. I was effective in halting the distruction of reef and tidepool habitat when bulldozers filled them in with sand. I was a proponent for enforcement of a State Constitutional Law. The law was established in 1850. It guaranteed "right of access to public domain". Eventually the city sold itself out and allowed developers to do their thing. It took them another 20 years. The powerful Kennedy family were the major interests in that coastline.
The difference between us is simple. You feel each and every individual has a god givin right to do whatever he pleases within the law on his/her own property. I don't. I feel undeveloped public coastline should be scrutinized. Something in the US that was done very little in the past and something Mexico continues to do in the present. I
So don't give me this basura about me destroying coastlines. Our footprint is quite tiny comparatively speaking. You can try to paint me a villian if you wish but I actually do care and do stuff to prevent destruction. I continue to try within my ability.


Drawing a parallel between us and LCB is totally silly and almost appears to be an attempt to distract from the real issue here. Which btw is not about golf courses. They are just another good example of wasted coastline IMHO.

You are certainly right about developers winning out. Pretty much every single time no matter what's at stake.:rolleyes:






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I sugest all gringoes in baja STOP LOOK and LISTEN to whats going on around you its mexico not the usa let it be mexico remember your a guest act acordingly


In other words just be totally quiet?.:wow: Just because I don't like what they are doing there I should keep a lid on it?
I doubt I'll go to bat as I did in CA Jerry, cause were guests . But am I not allowed to make parallels between the US and Mexico? Why can you but not me?? Are we not allowed to discuss situations and scenarios that we can reference from our past experiences? Why? Cause were guests? Sheesh! You take all the fun out of it when you point fingers and make outrageous parallels.:lol:
Is that your real point? Who are we to draw lines in Baja?

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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 06:36 AM


Jerry.......You are way off base. You need to read and reread what Paula wrote on 5/21 and think long and hard about what is really hapening here......Nice work Paula...I feel you have said what is the essence of this whole discussion..And Sharks also has hit the nail on the head square on...... Nice Sharks.....The people at L.B.C. are there for one reason only!!!!!!! Why should they care about any poor workers or town folks??? They dont have any means to buy in! And furtermore this huge development will only have an extreeme negative effect to Loreto and the surrounding area. ++C++
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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 07:16 AM


"Paula > We were up at Primer Agua last year, and the pools still had water in them. The location should be given back to the people of Loreto, as it is such a big part of their history"

La Tijereta, I might not have all of my Primer Agua history right. I do know for sure that it was taken by fonatur. The former owner's family in Loreto told us how his grandfather rode a mule every year to Santa Rosalia to pay the taxes for the rancho, but the government didn't see this as proof of ownership, and without a deed they lost the place. The old walls of the ranch still stand at the top of the stairway down to the pools. When we first went back there-- maybe a year and a half ago-- the bathrooms and showers were ruined and any water in the pool was incidental. Hurricane John left the oasis much worse off than before, and the pool is now filled with sand. I guess if they managed to build it in the first place they could fix it now, though it looks daunting.

Thank you for the picture, I wondered how it looked back in the day. Do you have more? I agree with you that it should be used for the loocals to enjoy.

Edit: Primer Agua-- not Loreto Bay, sorry to digress off subject

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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 08:41 AM


Phil S,

You're correct that I have spent much time doing Internet searches and writing posts about this topic. I'm now changing gears and spending time communicating with other people about this topic.

On my most recent drive to Todos Santos and back a few months ago I was very impressed with the increased agriculture along the way. It's an excellent use of the land and is a far more sustainable way to develop the economy and lift the standard of living.

I'm also very impressed with what's happening where I live, Tijuana. Up until 25 or so years ago it was legal for homesteaders to build shacks on the hillsides and try to exist. Hence all the blight. The city has slowly but surely registering the properties and giving these people deeds. Which then allows them to sell to developers that are building new homes. Much in the same way the American West was populated and developed in the 1800s. The downtown area is in a constant state of redevelopment and the middle class is growing by leaps and bounds.

Jerry I'm not on anybody's payroll. And I have a good idea of where to put the effluent. But that won't happen. What will happen is that it will be piped into the Sea of Cortez and water from the aquifers will be used on the golf courses.
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On my most recent drive to Todos Santos and back a few months ago I was very impressed with the increased agriculture along the way. It's an excellent use of the land and is a far more sustainable way to develop the economy and lift the standard of living.


Maybe. Is water use at sustainable levels? For a while, Todos Santos agriculture was slowed when the aquifer was depleted by overuse. Saline seep has also been a problem. Overgrazing is rampant. And farm jobs are not high paying.

While I find golf courses here kinda goofy, I would not jump to the conclusion that desert agriculture is a better way to use the land or the water. And I am not aware of any mechanism that would regulate water use for agriculture with greater sustainability than any other use for water, including golf courses.

But consider that my years as a Montana fisherman/conservationist have prejudiced me against agriculture more than my years working at an LA country club prejudiced me against golf. :fire::lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 11:04 AM


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please reread the message to me about spelling??
seems you forgot a ( to) :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 11:09 AM


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please reread the message to me about spelling??
seems you forgot a ( to) :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 11:15 AM


Give'm hell, Jerry.
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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 03:57 PM
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The aquifers supporting much of that agriculture are mostly non-recharging fossil water and going down fast. The wells at Constitucion are deepened frequently and the end, while the timing is not known, is inevitable.
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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 05:53 PM


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... and the end, while the timing is not known, is inevitable.

This is exactly why we should build as many golf courses as possible NOW, while there is still water around. Enjoy it while we can! Life is short, and the days of plentiful water may inevitably be history. I've never golfed, but maybe I should take it up soon... in Loreto!

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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 06:32 PM


Got me Jerry :lol::lol::lol::lol:
So my solution is to put in a golf course and plant onions, tomatoes, patatoes,lettuce, and other crops on the sides of the farway in the rough. And the shade trees could be lime, orange, avacado and other useful trees. This could all be watered and fertilzed by the catfish pond.:light::light::light::light:
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[*] posted on 5-22-2007 at 10:36 PM


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truth be knowen your could injoying things grown under those conditions right now in the orient it has been common for ages to use to use fucal matter of all kinds as fiterliser i think its called organic??:O:O:O:O:O:O




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[*] posted on 5-23-2007 at 07:31 AM


Paradise!

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[*] posted on 5-23-2007 at 07:50 AM


Greap pic Don, wonder if the blimp will have flashing tecate signs.
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[*] posted on 5-23-2007 at 07:58 AM


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Paradise!



Loreto Bay, as seen from the water.:?::?:

Really not far off. Looking at it every day and eating the dust. First phase should be ready sometime before :?::?: 2015:?::?:
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[*] posted on 5-24-2007 at 07:51 AM


This is encouraging:

These articles were originally written in Spanish for who you would assume to be Mexican readers.

http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4080

http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4195
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[*] posted on 5-24-2007 at 10:07 AM


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This is encouraging:

These articles were originally written in Spanish for who you would assume to be Mexican readers.

http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4080

http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4195


Encouraging??? Not!!!
These articles spelled the destruction that will happen - it's depressing... Build it and they will come...

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