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[*] posted on 5-30-2007 at 04:35 PM


What I am refering to (politically) is related to discussing infrastructure, planning, water, sewage treatment, garbage, etc... not campaigning for or against a candidate or underming the government, such as supporting sub-commandante Marcos and the Zapatisitas-that is against the law as it would be in the US. I hope you see the difference and understand what is needed, positive, polite discussion about the community.
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[*] posted on 5-30-2007 at 04:53 PM


There have been public meetings in Loreto on development issues. I have attended a few along with other expats. Gringos were welcome.



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[*] posted on 5-30-2007 at 05:33 PM


Gnukid

yes I have a US plated car with political stickers (and even carry spares for my buddies).

This is not the sames water, sewer, and other meetings pertaining to our living and maintaining a home. And as you said above is against the law. That is if I'm reading you correctly.




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wink.gif posted on 5-30-2007 at 06:50 PM
You had best hope Mexico understands the difference.


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What I am refering to (politically) is related to discussing infrastructure, planning, water, sewage treatment, garbage, etc... not campaigning for or against a candidate or underming the government, such as supporting sub-commandante Marcos and the Zapatisitas-that is against the law as it would be in the US. I hope you see the difference and understand what is needed, positive, polite discussion about the community.




Artículo 33.- Son extranjeros, los que no posean las calidades determinadas en el artículo 30. Tienen derecho a las garantías que otorga el Capítulo I, Título Primero, de la presente Constitución; pero el Ejecutivo de la Unión tendrá la facultad exclusiva de hacer abandonar el territorio nacional, inmediatamente y sin necesidad de juicio previo, a todo extranjero cuya permanencia juzgue inconveniente.

In Mexico, equal protection is a crap shoot. Especially if you get stuck between a politician and his money. :lol:

Gnukid, irregardless of what you have heard:

Only citizens are citizens.




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[*] posted on 5-30-2007 at 07:53 PM


Some of you are bit too incredulous in regard to the point that you are welcome to participate, so don't. Enjoy the mess. All the while individuals and groups are making gains by simply, politely asking good questions. Those are good people.

To even begin to discuss how we will deal with waste in mexico is big step, its a start.

To repeat, I stated, as I understand, foreigners legally residing in mexico have equal rights, protections and responsibilities of citizens, but you can not vote. I can see this a point which is difficult to accept, for some of you. You really are equal. And surprisingly some of your neighbors who are nationals may be looking to you to lead becuase you have experience and your are educated, you know how to make things work. I think its exciting to be working together to solve these problems while we still can have a significant effect.
Furthermore, Dave articulo 33 supports your point that what? It states (summarizing) that the president could remove you if you were working against the states of mexico.

So Dave is that your justification or is it a rationalization to not participate in ecology planning.
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[*] posted on 5-30-2007 at 08:09 PM


HEY YOU GUYS

This thread is about Loreto Bay and there is no "issue" to debate in a civil manner. The place and it's big brother sprouting up to the North are going to fubar Loreto.

The only thing sustainable they need is a security force. The TJ gang is coming down. Afterall, we need a sustainable life too. Glass pipes are expensive and fragile. And we're not waiting for someone to build it for us, we're going to steal it. I'll announce our arrival with grafetti.

Of course I myself won't be there. I'll be running the Sustainable Crime Trust and developing partnerships with "transportation" companies and such. I also need to handle the press, if you know what I mean.

New kid, you seem like a smart guy. Either dumb it down or move to another thread. There's no room anymore on this thread for logic and reasoning. I'm following the lead of Washington DC. I'm going lie and get what I want through violence.

So stop this civility BS. Unless you want to chat about civil WAR.
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wink.gif posted on 5-30-2007 at 08:54 PM
Thank God!


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Furthermore, Dave articulo 33 supports your point that what? It states (summarizing) that the president could remove you if you were working against the states of mexico.


And here I always thought it said something else. I guess I really do have equal rights. :rolleyes:

Goody! :lol:




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[*] posted on 5-31-2007 at 12:43 PM


"I'm following the lead of Washington DC. I'm going lie and get what I want through violence."
You could play that smarter. You should follow the lead of the Mexican officials and get what you want through mordida and graft.
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