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Diver
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Other than the potential for environmental impact,
it looks like a darn nice place to bring your boat.
I'm afraid that is what the sentiment will be in future years as the marina becomes a fixture.
Hopefully, the impact will not be as bad as feared because there is no stopping this train !!
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bajajudy
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Here is the borer. They have a huge generator(we can hear it all the way up at my house) to run this barge which has an LG minisplit to keep them
cool.
[Edited on 7-12-2007 by bajajudy]
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bajajudy
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Ground level view
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Cypress
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Progress cuts both ways. Depends upon whether or not you benefit or suffer.
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Lobo Ron
So what you are implying is that we are all coconspirators by visiting and building on the cape? lol:
So the bottom line is "can't have yer cake and eat it too?" I digress.
It's simple, money vs wildlife. Money trumps(get it?..."Trumps") anything in Mexico. ...... and pretty much anywhere else. Golf? What golf??? No time
to golf gotta land a Marlin first. I see many boats in the crystal ball. Too bad Norma 029 may lessen the days catch in the future. That's about
wildlife tambien. Funny how some folks don't "get" the connection.
It's called "The food chain".
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Loboron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
So what you are implying is that we are all coconspirators by visiting and building on the cape? lol:
So the bottom line is "can't have yer cake and eat it too?" I digress.
It's simple, money vs wildlife. Money trumps(get it?..."Trumps") anything in Mexico. ...... and pretty much anywhere else. Golf? What golf??? No time
to golf gotta land a Marlin first. I see many boats in the crystal ball. Too bad Norma 029 may lessen the days catch in the future. That's about
wildlife tambien. Funny how some folks don't "get" the connection.
It's called "The food chain". |
SharksBaja
No, I’m not saying it’s a co conspiracy; the word is Hypocritical, to hear these liberal environmentalists complain about the marina and then turn a
blind eye to what has happened to the land is absurd.
Personally, neither one bothers me; it’s called growth and progress. The marinas in Cabo San Lucas (there are two) are full; they’re building a new
one in San Jose del Cabo to accommodate the boats wishing to come down and stay. They too will be putting money into the local economy, buying
supplies and hiring crews to work the boats. Which brings up another point with regards to boats, marinas and their impact. Mexican crew working
American yachts, sportfishers, etc. earn between $800 and $1500.00 a month and have been for several years. I personally know two Mexicans (born in
Cabo San Lucas) who are Captain’s of American sportfishers and make $4500.00 a month. How’s that for environmental impact on the locals. What do you
folks pay your housekeepers, cooks and gardeners?
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I see many new developments popping up all round the San Jose del Cabo area, above and East of the new marina as well as
the East Cape area to accommodate all the folks wanting to buy, or build. Then, Very noisy bulldozers will come and begin grading the land to build
new homes and resorts.
One last example and I’ll be on my way, La Salina, Bernie’s and others favorite location. There’s was an estuary, small lagoon and channel to the
other side of the freeway from the ocean. As a result of the demand for another marina and lack of space in Ensenada, a marina was built to
accommodate the yachts coming to Ensenada. Long after the marina was started the surrounding lots on both sides of the freeway were sold and now there
are some beautiful homes there, all of which were drawn to the area because of the marina, not the Lagoon or estuary. Most of the homes have the view
of the marina and others both the marina and ocean. The point is, the marina came first, and then the homes and no one complained when the lagoon
disappeared.
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Baja Bernie
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I did complain,
but then most of the follks kindly informed me that,,,,,,,,,,,that was progress and that progress was good...........funny how progress is wonderful
until it happens in your own back yard............Then even the descriptive words normally associated with 'human beings' (JR made me do that) become
even more descriptive and in some cases down right nasty.
I finally got the message and progressed back to the states.
An aside. I had breakfast, yesterday, with a couple who live in Latin America and they observed that some of those Canadians and Americans who had
flooded into Baja and, their words---"used it up"---were now flocking further south and bringing their distructive ways with them as they mouthed the
words.....'thats progress.'
These folks seemed to believe that the Latins would not allow the same thing that has and is happening to Baja to happen in their Paradise.
Hope they are right! Oh! They did wonder where the destroyers would go once they had fouled their new nests. Africa????
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Life Goes On
My wife has lived in the same house for Thirty-Three years (before she met me) and beyond our back fence has been open desert all the way into the
Joshua Tree Monument. We loved having the quail and rabbits come in each morning and evening to feed. Even the Coyotes howling at the back fence
during the night were OK. It was cool to look out there and see those glowing eyes just beyond the fence. Last year, we received a notice that the
New owner of that desert plot was seeking a zoning change to allow higher residential density. In January, we came back from Baja to find the land
completely cleared and heavy equipment everywhere. Adding to the sense of loss, they have been filling and leveling the property so that our view out
the back fence is now an Eight-Foot high berm of dirt to be replaced soon by a Concrete Block retaining wall. No Quail or Rabbits, anymore.
That's Life in a free country and a free-market where people have the Right to use their property to their best interest.
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Hook
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When is the Marina Hussong supposed to be completed? Anyone?
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Loboron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
When is the Marina Hussong supposed to be completed? Anyone? |
Don't expect it our life time. They haven't evicted the folks owning homes on the property yet. The only thing that has happened so far is they
evicted all the RV's and cleared the property. Then they opened a sales office for the Condos.
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jerry
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Sharks ITS CALLED THE FOOD CHAIN?? if you realy belive that the food chain should be not be disturbed CLOSE YOUR SEAFOOD REASTRANT sorry but you
cant have it both ways
Paula you seem to be riding a dead horse of anti development
jerry and judi
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
why would this have an "immediate negative results in the loss of crtical and scarce wildlife habbitat"????
how would the marina affect the fresh water supply????
how are the "Drug Cartels" involved???? |
http://oceans.greenpeace.org/raw/content/en/documents-report...
Here is a link with some info, Bob and Susan. I used google to find it. You can probably find more info on this subject using google. Maybe if you
have time to really delve deep you can find out how the drug cartels are involved. I'd love to find all of the answers for you, but unfortunately I'm
too busy today.
David K. I'm gonna sit here and LMAO when the sky falls on Shell Beach.
jerry You're a one trick pony.
Well, B&S, maybe the drug cartels aren't involved but the Mexican
government
[Edited on 7-12-2007 by Paula] |
'Shell Beach' is near Punta Chivato and already developed... However, I know you are refering to the undeveloped barrier island I camp on, across the
lagoon from Percebu... which I have been calling 'Shell Island' since 1977.
Development will probably happen someday soon, and only if I buy it or the government enforces the 'federal zone' (which all of Shell Island is inside
of) is there a hope it will remain undeveloped. Maybe the tern nesting grounds in the dunes there will prevent condo construction?
I posted the comment above not because I support development... in fact I wish Baja still had only dirt roads... But, that you people who came to Baja
AFTER paved roads and development to provide you with a place to stay are complaining about this new harbor!
I guess development until you discovered Baja was okay, but no more AFTER that point in time, right?
The sky fell a little in December, 1973 when Mexico 1 was officially completed... and a little more with each graded and paved road built since...
There still are places in Baja that require 4WD to get to, and that gives us hope!
So, I am not in favor of development in Baja, but I am not so blind that it happening is going to freak me out.
Many examples of where development has not 'ruined' a place... just changed it...
Guerrero Negro salt works hasn't destroyed Scammon's Lagoon or chased away the whales...
Give nature some credit... She is more powerful than us!
[Edited on 7-13-2007 by David K]
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Dave
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Why, got a megayacht?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
When is the Marina Hussong supposed to be completed? Anyone? |
Completed? This is Mexico. 
All financing is in place and Porto Hussong will begin in earnest early September. The breakwater will be at the top of the list. Over 60 mil devoted
to the Marina alone. 300+ slips. (45' and up.)
The entire build-out is scheduled at 36-42 months.
The new airport at El Tigre will guarantee this project an easy sell. Only 15 minutes away.
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rob
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Bajajudy - what great pictures! I am going to put that scene on my development company's coat of arms.
Golden sunset over dredger rampant.
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rts551
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| Quote: | | Which brings up another point with regards to boats, marinas and their impact. Mexican crew working
American yachts, sportfishers, etc. earn between $800 and $1500.00 a month and have been for several years. I personally know two Mexicans (born in
Cabo San Lucas) who are Captain’s of American sportfishers and make $4500.00 a month. How’s that for environmental impact on the locals.
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WOW. Two mexicans.... whew time for another Pacifico
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Sharksbaja
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Subjective thoughts
Gimme a break Jerry. Look, if you don't see the estuary as a viable existant fish and bird nursery for many species of Baja wildlife then I can't
really discuss this issue with you properly. The context you continually use equating an established fishing port hundreds of years old where we have
a restaurant and a semi-virgin breeding ground in Baja are miles apart in many ways. I can't understand really why you don't endorse the protection of
rare areas that help spawn fish/birds for the large capitalist enterprises that you already seem to suppport or otherwise approve of.
Hey yer right tho, civilization marches on. It's a shame that these same "choice" areas of development are the same ones that provide the
(future)animals that bring people there. But you may not agree that estuaries are as important as marinas. Others would disagree.
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jerry
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acording to you and many others on this board you against any development in baja
no matter where in baja that development is being done it is going to effect some food chain
hell eating anythig is gona effect the food chain we are at the top
the comment seem to always be pointed twords greedy developers or Large capitalistic enterprises
i havent seen a single comment here on (oh now that a nice development)
i believe its jelousy , i got mine screw you atatude or my idea is more noble then yours is the driving force behind most if not all anti development
sorry sharks and your not alone but you need to look in your own back yard
mulege-- lets look at it in a real perspective all the gringo propertys along the river should be dismanteled and all infroesrtucture septic tanks and
all removed, the river should not be dredged or cleaned up it should be naturall it was and should be returned to a estuary reverted back and i think
you Sharks should lead the way
jerry and judi
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Sharksbaja
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Yep that's right Jerry. I would like my own poshe hotel which would require me to fill in a mangrove swamp. Yer brilliant for figuring out that it's
all about jealousy. How frickin' rediculous. Actually I'm all for grand development......in Rosarito Beach.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
It is ALL Relative, as they say.
I remember as a Young Surfer in Southern California being outraged when they started building the marina at Dana Point and knowing it was going to
destroy one of my favorite spots.
Years later, the first time I rented a slip for my Sailboat in Dana Point, I sat in the c-ckpit at sundown drinking a cold beer and reflecting back on
those days. OH WELL.
Time and People change. |
I was around 10 years old when the Dana Point breakwater was put in...Loren Harrison, God rest his soul, was remodeling our house and took me surfing
one day there before the construction, so at least I can say I did it too! In 2003 I was hired to put in the landscaping for the DP Marine Institute
so I benefitted from the progress too.
That said, my math teacher in high school, Herb Oelke, showed us home movies of him surfing Killer Dana on the last day of school--can't say I'd feel
too bad if the harbor wasn't there!
On the estruary--there's still lots of estruaries in Baja that could probably be bought cheap right now--protect them with private ownership the way
the Nature Conservancy does!
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jerry
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Sharks well guess you answered one the questions?? its more of the( i got mine screw you) (you cant have what you want)
what about your own back yard in mulege the estruary?? thats being cleaned out?? while the septic tanks leach fields are poulute it?
yes its fricken rediculas you cant see whats happening in your own back yard??
by the way resturante owner are capitalists too
by the way im not pro development or anti development i just get tired of the holyer then thou BS here gringos trying to run mexico
jerry and judi
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