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Skeet/Loreto
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O. K Mike!
The following is the Truth!! Anyone of the "Unlearned Species" is Invited to observe this Happening in Los Banos Calif.!
The Crows of Los Banos are many, nightlt moving from the numerous Trees of the Town to their Nightlt roosts in the nearby Countryside. On returning
the following Morning during "Walnut Harvest" Season they bring with them a Large Walnut.These same Walnuts are dropped from Said Crows to the
Concrete Taxi Pad at the Los Banos Airport,to be Cracked and then consumed by the Crow!!
"Survival of the Fitist
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Mountain Lions
Recently here in So Cal, a man riding his bike in a natural area near civilization was draged off and eaten. He was partially covered by the lion for
a later meal, who went hunting again, this time atacking 2 women, draging one off into the bushes by the head while her friend held onto her legs in a
tug of war. Her screams brought others who fought the lion off with sticks and stones. The woman had half her face peeled off and was in the hospital
for a week. My point is, we have infringed on Mountain lion territory here in So Cal. They have lost fear of humans, and the result is them having to
be shot, sadly, another lion will move into that same territory and will eventually have to be shot also. TO INVITE WILD ANIMALS INTO YOUR LITTLE
SPACE IN BAJA IS STUPID!. As long as they have a fear of humans and no reason to 'visit' there simply are no problems. Store your food and water, keep
the mutts close, and if there is a lion near, for Gods sake, keep the kids near also. My 2 cents. M
PS, Bajarunner, you had a couple good points but your "shoot em, the have no redeeming qualities" comment was very offensive and it was rude to poke
those of us that feel ALL creatures have a role in lifes chain.
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mike Humfreville
Surprisingly, they didn't care so much for the foodstuffs; they wanted the fresh water. They are so crafty that they learned to unscrew the tops of
water bottles and tip them over for a drink. |
I typically push the cooler and containers with other
foodstuffs under the vehicle(s) at night, as the lids can't be opened, and I haven't had a cooler/container dragged out from under by any animals....
well, as of yet anyway. I know not to put it past them.
But the coyotes North of La Gringa are so crafty, they will come in and pop open the drains on my coolers to enjoy a middle-of-the-night cold-water
treat. They, of course, will return each ensuing evening for further attempts at each day's melted ice.
Haven't had that happen anywhere else.
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Doug
[Edited on 5-9-2004 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mike Humfreville
and I hope you find it.... |
Se?or Miguel, do I read a hint of skepticism in your tone
There surely was some liquid sensimilla  involved in the previous nights
stargazing but the activity we witnessed at dawn was ?coyote clamming?.
I will find the said photographic evidence and post it on the www for all the world to see, or at least the several dozen folks who look at my posts.
I also will welcome all weary southbound travelers to stop by 'Casa Pebley' and view said evidence personally, whilst being plied with copius amounts
of 100% agave azul, so as to further verify that no surreptitious alterations were in fact made to said photographic evidence.
I just have to find which box the photos were packed into as we are preparing to move. Until that time you will just have to trust me!  Have I ever given you pause to due otherwise? 
Hope to see you soon! 
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Ken Bondy
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Question for academic anarchist....
Do you have any basis (such as published articles or research) that supports your statements about coyotes having a high bacteria count in their
saliva? I am not trying to be argumentative, I would just like to know if this is an established fact or merely anecdotal. Thanks,
++Ken++
PS all mammals can contract/carry rabies.
[Edited on 5-9-2004 by Ken Bondy]
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This gull is in the employ of Wily Coyote and tasked with finding and delivering him clams as Wiley sits below his palapa sipping margaritas (no salt,
because the mixer is sea water)
"Survival of the Fisters"
[Edited on 5-9-2004 by Nikon]
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academicanarchist
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answer
anecdotal.
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Ken Bondy
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Thanks..
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I saw a video of bears clamming in Alaska. It seems their noses are so good they can smell the clams under 12 inches of mud. Then they just hold it
with one claw and pop it open with the other.
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Barry A.
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Catavina coyotes
A few years ago we were camped for the night in the boulder garden of Catavina, maybe 1/3 mile off the highway. Two of us were sleeping in the camper
shell with the rear door and tailgate wide open. Two others were asleep just outside the rear of the camper on the ground. Senor Coyote visited us
about 2 AM. He got into a tug of war with one of the ground guys, trying to haul off his dry bag with his freeze dried food in it. Lots of yelling and
cursing!! Everybody woke up and started yelling and throwing things at Senor Coyote. Senior Coyote was not fazed, and continued in the serious tug of
war. By this time we were all thoroughly in shock, and frankly alarmed, to say the least. Finally I hit Senior Coyote on the head with a full coke
can. This time he let go of the dry bag, but still would not run away. With all of us now challenging him, he slowwwwwwly backed away into the night,
never once looking like he was afraid. Thank God for a full moon or we would not know what was going on, and would have really been spooked.
That is the third encounter I have had with Senior Coyote aggressivly entering camp and attempting to steal things, but this was certainly the worst
one. The other two were on the beaches of La Gringa at BOLA, and the beaches of Bahia Las Animas , over some 50 years. We have often seen them
lurking on the fringe, but they seldom actually come into camp. I gotta admit that I personally enjoy their presence, but the guy with the dry bag
does not agree with me.
If you think that the Coyotes and the big kitties are intimidating, you ought to spend some time in Montana with the Grizzlies-----now THAT is
frightening!!!! I was the Bear Management Officer in Glacier Natl. Park for a year. Grizzlies are a bad scene, believe me. The odds of being attacked
by either a big kittie, or a coyote, are mightly slim, but you, of course, should take precautions, and don't act stupid. As said elsewhere, they
were there first, and we are the intruders. When in wild country act accordingly, I always say, and use common sense, and remember that you are much
more likely to get in a serious car accident than get attacked by a man eating critter. By the way, coyotes are not even near being "endangered".
They are EVERYWHERE!!!! and they are very smart!!!!! and they are always thirsty and hungry. Under no circumstances should you even think about them
being pets, in my opinion. I sure wouldn't worry about it, tho, and let it spoil your good times. Barry
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thebajarunner
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Coyote clarification
M, sorry, but I stand by my "shoot 'em all" comment. I will, in deference to the rest of the world, retrict my shooting range to my own 3 acres, but
I will definitely shoot any that come on the property.
Mr. Coyote Cadaver up the street was no doubt the reason for our neighbor missing his old cat last week.
As to saliva issues, I have always heard that the dog's mouth is the very essence of bacteria heaven, guess the coyote fits in this category.
Finally, as to "all the animals being here first" ..... a few years back I was having lunch in a cafe in Jaipur, in Western India. A spider trekked
across my plate, I swiped it to the floor and stepped on it.
Our waiter spun around and refused to serve us further.
To each his own, where do we encroaching humans draw the line on our quality of life?
(oh yeah, all non-Mexicans need to vacate California as it was and is rightfully the possession of the Mexicans--- glad my wife is Mexican, maybe I
can stay)
Baja Arriba!!
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N2Baja
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Wow, there is alot of good info, etc. here. Thanks to everyone for their input.
Barry A.'s story about the coyote coming into their camp and showing no fear of him and his friends was a real eye opener! The coyotes in our camp
have been pretty brazen lately.
Sin Nombre, while I do agree with some of your thinking, sometimes the benefits are out-weighed by the risks. I won't let my neighbor's
actions put my kids in jeopardy.
Mike H. your points about how feeding the coyotes can make them overbreed and overtax the available resources was right on. It's also a point that I
think my neighbor might respond to. From what I've heard from my other neighbors, he's been asked to stop before and refuses to do so.
On a very sad note, I also heard from a neighbor that the land owners dog (a big pit bull) was attacked by four coyotes. The dog killed one, but then
the other three killed the dog. This makes me sick and angry.
This attack changes the whole ball game; it's time to take aggressive action. I've decided that on my next trip down, I'm telling the coyote feeder
that as long as he's feeding the coyotes and encouraging them to come to the camp, it's open season. It's unfortunate, call me a jerk if you want to
(I promise not to leave the carcass), but I realize from the info I've gotten here that this situation is much more serious that I thought. Thanks
everyone for helping me out!
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Mike Humfreville
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In the early '70's Mary Ann and I were off on our search for a place to build our first hut. We knew the west coast would be cooler during the heat
of summer and we camped a couple of days in the dunes just south of Santa Rosalillita. It was quite deserted back then and we were absolutely alone
with our two dogs Rocinante and Dulcenea. We slept in a tent and brought the dogs in because an entire large pack of coyotes surrounded our camp and
from close range were working for what seemed like an attack. I threw a cherry bomb or two at them and they backed off. That was the most threatened
I've ever felt by coyotes. We left the next day and found our summer beach just south of Bahia de Los Angeles.
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sin nombre
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If the coyotes down here were all such a salivary, bacterial-infested threat, we would have all been doomed long ago.
I have also heard the .."who-was-here first-argument" countless times.
Well when you come down to it, perhaps it's more of where one BELONGS, as opposed to the chronological argument of who occupied what area on a map
first. And who made up those rules? Us humans, of course. The coyotes and other animals follow nature's rules, not ours.
So if you live in an area heavily occupied by such creatures, you have to deal with it. My personal way of dealing with it, is to respect what was
here before I came along, and not to eradiacte all possible threats to my comfort. I would have done better to stay in the big city if that was the
case.
There are dangerous things out here in the desert. That's a given. But I would worry more for my children checking their clothing and shoes for
Scorpions, Mata Venados, and Black Widows before they put them on, instead of the coyotes. Even a bee that finds it's way into your open can of soda
or bottle of beer poses much more of a physical threat than a coyote.
I have never heard of any occasion in over 15 years in this desert of anyone ever being harmed in any way, shape or form by a coyote......Ever
I have 4 cats, who are free to roam as they please. They have roamed this desert freely for over 6 years. If a common housecat can handle a few
coyotes, you would think the rest of us could too.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Sin nombre:
I have had the occasion to visit my sister-in Law in Sandia heights near the Tramway in Albuquque New Mexico.
she had two Cats, one that roamed sometimes at Night. On cool clear Night I was out checking for the Cat and observed two Large coyote take the Cat,
leaving only the entrails!
Talking to the neighbors the next day, I was told that the Coyotes in that Area are know to tear the Cat in Half, dragging it away leaving only the
insides.
In our location ,very near the San Joaquin River, we have many coming from the river to the Populated Dairy Ranches which have been there for at least
a 100 years and partaking of a Calf,{usually the Weaker ones}
While living in Montana there where 2 Women eaten by Grisslys, women were warned not to Hike in Bear country during their Periods!,.
When you are in the Natl. Parks you are in their Territory, when you are in the Central Calif. area they are in My territory.
Use Common Sense,Protect your Family,at all times, there are plenty more coyotes , children are Not Plentiful!!
Skeet/Loreto
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Actually, Sin Nombre, coyotes have harmed people in the south campos. When I first started coming down to Baja, about 25 years ago, a friend
was sleeping in front of his mom's house in Bahia Santa Maria. During the night a coyote came sniffing around him and, thinking it was just a camp
dog, he swatted at it and pushed it away. It bit him and he had to go through the painful series of rabies shots to his stomach. Also, my kids are
very savvie about the dangerous creatures and plants in the desert. Heck, for that matter, we have just as many black widows, bees and
scorpions around our house in San Diego.
There was no problem until my neighbor started putting out food and encouraging the coyotes to come into our camp. As I stated in my second post, I
love coyotes; I love listening to them sing at night. However, because of the actions of my neighbor, feeding them and trying to befriend them, word
has spread among the coyote community that there is a free meal available to all at our campo. Now we have a large number of coyotes hanging around
our campo and they have started to lose their fear of humans. And then I find out they killed the camp owners dog. It's time to tell my neighbor,
emphatically, to stop putting food out NOW and to discourage them coming around. Hopefully he'll see the stupidity of his actions,
especially when I show him all that's been written here. If not, well, then I'll do what I have to.
Again, thanks to everyone who's responded. I've read every one and taken them all into consideration. (well, except the one about the seagull since
it didn't really apply, but that was a picture!
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I live in San Diego accross the freeway from Mission Bay. Lost are cat of 13 years to coyotes 4 months after we moved in adross from Mission Bay.
The area is filled with posters for missing cats. Coyotes wake us up in the night. You never se them just a nother missing cat or dog. If you walk
Tecolote Canyon in the AM you will see them. They feed off are pets and no one knows. IN THE HART OF SAN DIEGO!
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Skeet/Loreto
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The Moral of this Thread seems to me to be the treatment of our neighbors!
As our society has progressed, we have lost touch with our Neighbors.
Talk to your Neighbor of your concerns,give him time to correct the problem,then if he does not respond take the necessary action to protect your
Family.
It is sometimes Very difficult to "Love thy Neighbor as Thy Self"
Skeet/Loreto
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N2Baja
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Skeet/Loreto - You're absolutely right. Thank you.
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Barry A.
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consequences of less coyotes and pumas, etc.
Are any of us taking into consideration what would happen to the rabbit, ground squirrel, mice and other rodent population if there were not predators
like coyote and puma? It can be frightening, which has been proved several times. Rodents carry rabies, etc. too, and they proliferate at incredible
rates if not controlled by natural predators. There are many more kids killed by rodent bites than coyote bites. Predators in the city must be
controlled, I agree. That is "our" habitat, (now)! But having pets in the fringe areas, or in the wild areas, is risky at best. Pets are not even
allowed in National Parks unless under total restraint, and never in the back country, for very good reasons----they do not mix well with wild
animals. It seems to me to be unwise to take mostly defenseless pets into the wilds. The only pet we EVER took into Baja, or the backcountry of the
USA, is our huge German Shepard which can fend for itself, quite successfully, which she has proved on several occasions. (She also keeps the human
predators away, and the inspectors out of my truck.) Otherwise, you take the very real risk of losing them. It is a rough world out there. Would you
let your child run the streets of LA (etc.) after dark?? The neighbor feeding the coyotes is very foolish, and they need to be talked to
aggressively, or maybe drawn and quartered if that doesn't work. Just my two cents worth. Barry
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