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DianaT
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Iīm not trying to solve anything...I live in Mulegé because itīs cheaper than where I came from...Itīs a nice place to live...but not great enough to
attract a lot of tourists...I spend money in the course of living and I suppose that is a benefit to the shop keepers and Pemex... I catch and release
fish and I donīt throw paper down the toilet.. |
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I agree---the absolute best response.
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No, but...
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Are we part of the solution? |
I have the solution.
Cost is five dollars.
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the solution? |
I have the solution.
Cost is five dollars. |
You must be referring to my kittens for sale....the solution to all your problems, only $5 each......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Dave
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WOW...You must be psychic!
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the solution? |
I have the solution.
Cost is five dollars. |
You must be referring to my kittens for sale....the solution to all your problems, only $5 each......dt |
Actually, part of my solution does include a kitten. Also, a quart of used 30W motor oil and a turkey feather.
Maybe we could form a business partnership?
Would you consider renting the kittens?
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Have we established what the problem is, that the solution is to solve?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the solution? |
I have the solution.
Cost is five dollars. |
You must be referring to my kittens for sale....the solution to all your problems, only $5 each......dt |
Actually, part of my solution does include a kitten. Also, a quart of used 30W motor oil and a turkey feather.
Maybe we could form a business partnership?
Would you consider renting the kittens? |
Sounds more Psycho to me.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the problem or solution.
--Larry |
I thought Diane Trotter already answered this question.
If you think we're part of the problem than you're just plain selfish. And if you can't accept that then you should stop going to baja entirely.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the problem or solution.
--Larry |
I thought Diane Trotter already answered this question.
If you think we're part of the problem than you're just plain selfish. And if you can't accept that then you should stop going to baja entirely.
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Please, explain---I really do not understand
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the problem or solution.
--Larry |
I thought Diane Trotter already answered this question.
If you think we're part of the problem than you're just plain selfish. And if you can't accept that then you should stop going to baja entirely.
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Since you didn't answer and explain, I would like to say a couple of things---and if I am jumping to conclusions, please say so.
Yes, I have disagreed with you and others about it is best for Baja to never change. Living there does change one's opinions---we may hate progress,
but often it is best for the locals.
When I have used the word selfish, I have always included us. Yes, we would prefer that the road to BA not be paved, and all that comes with
that----but most of the locals are looking forward to it, and many are our friends.
To my knowledge, I have NEVER said that anyone should stop going to Baja---Please, find where I said that---I know I did not.
I have said that IMHO it is easier for us to not want progress because we have another world to which we can return.
On this thread, I stated that I agreed with rpleger's post.
So, why the attack? We enjoyed meeting you and your son in Bahia Asuncion and offered our guest room for if you returned---
David, yes it is hot in San Diego, with that I agree, but PLEASE, keep the politics out of here.
Thanks
Diane
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I think it's the heat getting to us!
What is taking Obama so long to end Global Warming???
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Of course trying to fix something that you don't think is broke appears rediculous,right?
Allrightythennnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
David I wish you would stop hating Black people!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think it's the heat getting to us!
What is taking Obama so long to end Global Warming???
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David K, why must you insert your American politics into so many threads that are not about the US???????
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I am not seeing anything dispariging towards you.
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the problem or solution.
--Larry |
I thought Diane Trotter already answered this question.
If you think we're part of the problem than you're just plain selfish. And if you can't accept that then you should stop going to baja entirely.
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Since you didn't answer and explain, I would like to say a couple of things---and if I am jumping to conclusions, please say so.
Yes, I have disagreed with you and others about it is best for Baja to never change. Living there does change one's opinions---we may hate progress,
but often it is best for the locals.
When I have used the word selfish, I have always included us. Yes, we would prefer that the road to BA not be paved, and all that comes with
that----but most of the locals are looking forward to it, and many are our friends.
To my knowledge, I have NEVER said that anyone should stop going to Baja---Please, find where I said that---I know I did not.
I have said that IMHO it is easier for us to not want progress because we have another world to which we can return.
On this thread, I stated that I agreed with rpleger's post.
So, why the attack? We enjoyed meeting you and your son in Bahia Asuncion and offered our guest room for if you returned---
David, yes it is hot in San Diego, with that I agree, but PLEASE, keep the politics out of here.
Thanks
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Are we part of the problem or solution.
--Larry |
I thought Diane Trotter already answered this question.
If you think we're part of the problem than you're just plain selfish. And if you can't accept that then you should stop going to baja entirely.
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Since you didn't answer and explain, I would like to say a couple of things---and if I am jumping to conclusions, please say so.
Yes, I have disagreed with you and others about it is best for Baja to never change. Living there does change one's opinions---we may hate progress,
but often it is best for the locals.
When I have used the word selfish, I have always included us. Yes, we would prefer that the road to BA not be paved, and all that comes with
that----but most of the locals are looking forward to it, and many are our friends.
To my knowledge, I have NEVER said that anyone should stop going to Baja---Please, find where I said that---I know I did not.
I have said that IMHO it is easier for us to not want progress because we have another world to which we can return.
On this thread, I stated that I agreed with rpleger's post.
So, why the attack? We enjoyed meeting you and your son in Bahia Asuncion and offered our guest room for if you returned---
David, yes it is hot in San Diego, with that I agree, but PLEASE, keep the politics out of here.
Thanks
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Soulpatch, I don't know for sure --- but I know the statement made, if Igor is referring to me, is a total fabrication and thus, very disappointing to
me.
Diane
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Is there a problem? I've been going to Baja annually more or less since 1997. My first visit was in 1970. Since 1997 I've noticed that the
semi-trucks look alot newer and better maintained, same for Hwy 1, in 1997 there were long patches of gravel sections and asphalt that looked as
though it was applied with a paint roller, now it seems better paved, although the road seems to get narrower with each repaving. BoLA has a pothole
free road and 24/7 electricity. It costs a little more each trip regardless of the exchange rate, but it's still fun to burn through pesos on
lobsters and margaritas. Mexico is a different country and that is what appeals to me when I visit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bent-rim
Is there a problem? I've been going to Baja annually more or less since 1997. My first visit was in 1970. Since 1997 I've noticed that the
semi-trucks look alot newer and better maintained, same for Hwy 1, in 1997 there were long patches of gravel sections and asphalt that looked as
though it was applied with a paint roller, now it seems better paved, although the road seems to get narrower with each repaving. BoLA has a pothole
free road and 24/7 electricity. It costs a little more each trip regardless of the exchange rate, but it's still fun to burn through pesos on
lobsters and margaritas. Mexico is a different country and that is what appeals to me when I visit. |
well said! change the dates and places and i can't argue..... these are the good 'ol days all over again!!!!
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Soulpatch, I don't know for sure --- but I know the statement made, if Igor is referring to me, is a total fabrication and thus, very disappointing to
me.
Diane |
The disappointment is on both sides.
You have made those same statments on at least two occasions. It's one thing to disagree with someone and support your viewpoint. It's quite another
to say that person's viewpoint lacks value because he or she is selfish. And furthermore, if you don't see things my way you should just stop coming
altogether. That's just a disrespect for those who don't see things your way.
I overlooked it the first time (the bicycle thread) but I'm not going to be insulted a second time.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Soulpatch, I don't know for sure --- but I know the statement made, if Igor is referring to me, is a total fabrication and thus, very disappointing to
me.
Diane |
The disappointment is on both sides.
You have made those same statments on at least two occasions. It's one thing to disagree with someone and support your viewpoint. It's quite another
to say that person's viewpoint lacks value because he or she is selfish. And furthermore, if you don't see things my way you should just stop coming
altogether. That's just a disrespect for those who don't see things your way.
I overlooked it the first time (the bicycle thread) but I'm not going to be insulted a second time. |
Igor,
If you can back any of this up with quotes, please do so. IMHO, you do not like someone to disagree with you and have decided to form your own
perceptions.
1. Please find where I ever said that someone should not come to Baja if they disagree with me. Please quote it
2. Please find where I ever said anyone's opinion lacked value----now when someone says that their opinion is fact, that I will dispute. Opinions
are opinions and while I might disagree, I do not believe I have ever said anyone's opinion is of no value---it is simply an opinion.
3. Selfish, yes I will stand behind that one---as I said, I include myself. IMHO, many of us are selfish in wanting Baja to not change and we don't
see things from the point of view of the locals. It is an area that has become clearer to me as we live there.
If you chose to feel insulted, so be it, but if you are going to write that I said that cr*p, please find the quotes. Otherwise it just falls into
the realm of inuendos and your perception.
So, I will happily and publicly apoligize to you if you can back up these allegations with actual quotes.
And please, don't be so vague--yes, I and many others disagreed with you and others on the bicyle thread---that was a no win heated one----but even
though I have a strong opinion about that, I do not believe I ever said, do not come.
While a disappointment, how you personally feel is of no consequence to me, but what you have thrown out are pretty strong allegations, so please back
them up. I think that is only fair.
Again, if you can back your allegations up with any quotes, I will publically retract the following statement---Igor you are full of cr*p.
Diane
[Edited on 4-21-2009 by jdtrotter]
[Edited on 4-21-2009 by jdtrotter]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
---Igor you are full of cr*p.
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I rest my case.
Even here you can't make your case without resorting to insults.
In fact you have just shown that you do what you claim you don't do.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
---Igor you are full of cr*p.
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I rest my case.
Even here you can't make your case without resorting to insults.
In fact you have just shown that you do what you claim you don't do. |
Igor,
It is only an insult if you can back up your statments and as I said, I will retract the statement if you can do so.
And you rest your case with no backup? Where are the quotes where I said what you accused me of saying?
BTW I read the entire bike thread and if you can find anywhere in that one where I insulted you, please post it---I read it because I really wondered
where I might have insulted you.
Diane
[Edited on 4-21-2009 by jdtrotter]
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I find this thread strangely interesting in light of how history could have sorted things so differently. After the Mexican-American War what
ultimately became known as the Gadsden Purchase created what we know today as the Southern border of Western New Mexico, and basically all of Arizona,
South of Tucson. What is probably less known is that at the time, Santa Anna offered up a huge parcel of Mexico for purchase. The area included the
states of Coahuila, Chihuahua, Sonora, Nuevo Leon, Tamalpais and Baja. Here at home, forces supporting slavery were set against this purchase because
it represented a huge addition to the free territory. So, as weird as it seems, the major reason the Baja is not today part of the United States is
because those who supported slavery were against the acquisition.
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