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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
If Tiger backs out, the project will most certain fail. |
Agreed...
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wilderone
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"...gives you the right to tell the Mexicans what to do with their land. Its rather obnoxious of you,dont you think. "
It's not Mexicans that are planning to destroy Mexican archaeology, and Mexican ecology, and spoil Mexican open space; block access to the area to
Mexicans, and create waste and pollution of all kinds. Norte Americanos and Canadians are the perpetrators. Why is it that Mexicans don't realize the
treasures they have and try to protect them for themselves? Why do Mexicans allow this destruction to continue? Tell me.
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Oh boy am I ready for Punta Brava
These ultra rich will need local goods and services. The Helo plans for delivering products to these folks cannot possibly provision them with their
quality of life sustance. Inclimate weather will stop inbound and of course outbound Helo's, even the stroke victim that wants to get to UCSD with the
rattlesnake bite golfer. Imagine the limo caravans at Pobalno's for tacos.
Or shopping in Los Globos for golf shoes and eating the world’s best fish tacos. Me, I have contacted Dean & Deluca for a franchise that I will
have in Cantu. Stocked with Scottish Salmon, French pate and an assortment of fine liquors from around the world. We need to open our hearts and
welcome these celebs and world famous. Of course I will be in my kayak, or boat sitting out front taking pictures, and making a bundle selling to the
tabloids. Jen, Brad,Rush, Angelina and their kids.
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[Edited on 5/27/2009 by Bronco]
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"...gives you the right to tell the Mexicans what to do with their land. Its rather obnoxious of you,dont you think. "
It's not Mexicans that are planning to destroy Mexican archaeology, and Mexican ecology, and spoil Mexican open space; block access to the area to
Mexicans, and create waste and pollution of all kinds. Norte Americanos and Canadians are the perpetrators. Why is it that Mexicans don't realize the
treasures they have and try to protect them for themselves? Why do Mexicans allow this destruction to continue? Tell me. |
Nancy Conroy assumes that all who post here are Americans. And she makes a lot of other assumptions as well, claiming again to know anything about
Loreto, everything having to do with Mexico is negative, blah, blah, blah. Nancy, fulano, palmetto, DrEvil, DrEvil13, billybob and others who have
been banned and the latest one ...mexipep are one in the same. Get a life girl. You have serious talent it is proven now put it to good use and stop
wasting your time here. All that negative energy will backfire and you will be the victim not us in here. Take up yoga go on regular nature walks
think good thoughts better yourself and be the best that you can be. Peace.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
If Tiger backs out, the project will most certain fail. |
Agreed... |
then this is an excellent tactic. most bang for the buck so to speak and delivered directly to the source.
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BajaGringo
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Most golfers I know are extremely superstitious. Tell Tiger that he will never catch Jack with the bad karma he will get...
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bajamigo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
i need to be educated too...
what is wrong with a golf course at punta banta???
i really don't know... |
Nothing, unless you have to literally blow up a few square miles of pristine countryside, which also happens to be the site of several archeological
treasures.
They have already constructed a desal plant, whose effluence has wrecked the mussel beds (or whatever they are) at the point. Great intro to the area.
We could give a crap about property values. We live right next door to the proposed "development," so our values will probably skyrocket or,
hopefully, go into the toilet. Either case, we didn't settle here for speculative reasons; we're here to live and enjoy the beauty of Baja and its
people, most of whom probably won't get a day's work out of the development.
Maybe it's all right to destroy an area which has lain virtually undisturbed for millions of years, to accommodate a golf course, an assault on the
environment, that will have a shelf life of, what, 50 years? Don't think so.
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flyfishinPam
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To the hotel owners in concepcion-
I am researching these topics anyway for some tours to be given in the fall.
Here's one interesting website on water usage of a golf course and the website is from Spring Branch, Texas. We too are in a drought prone area and
any golf course here will use an exorbitant amount of water. This is only the water issue and does not mention the pollutants that will run off the
courses and into the sea. In an area that cannot environmentally support green grass any grass that is planted even that fancy paspalum will be
beyond its environmental tolerance limits and will need more maintenance, more water, more fertilizers, more pestacides, more herbacides...
if this information doesn't impact your decision on golf courses in the peninsula, then nothing will and if that is the case I certainly hope you get
the golf course you wish for right next to your hotel. You ought to speak with the former owners of the two hotels in Ensenada Blanca to see what
may be in your future.
From the page linked-
"In San Antonio, each time a golfer plays a round of golf it takes between 2200 and 3500 gallons of water to support his game based on golf
course average water use.
In summer, a golfer uses 3400 to 5400 gallons per round when water use peaks and our annual drought occurs."
keeping in mind that this is an even more drought prone area than San Antonio, TX, even MORE WATER will be consumed by that golfers game.
http://hillcountrywater.org/GolfCourse.htm
according to a table in the article a family of four uses 540 gallons of water per day. this assumes the living standards are that of an average
american who consumes much more than an average Mexican.
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bajamigo
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Forgot to Mention....
The following excerpt from the "Punta Brava Fact Sheet" will give you an idea of the broad appeal this project will have. Prices do
not include the cost of construction, which will start in the neighborhood of $3 million:
The Community: Punta Brava offers a range of ownership opportunities including:
40 estate sites ranging in size from .75 acres to 3 acres, priced between $3 million and $12 million.
18 villa residences (4,500 to 7,000 square feet)
60 partnership villas (4,500 to 6,500 square feet)
A private hotel with 20 villas, each has a private pool, available to owners and their guests.
A clubhouse; an ocean club; a wellness program and spa;
multiple dining venues
Residents will have access to all hotel services and amenities
Please note that RESIDENTS will have access to these amenities. They have made it quite clear that the great unwashed (you and me and the rest of the
general public) are not invited.
[Edited on 5-27-2009 by bajamigo]
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
Nothing, unless you have to literally blow up a few square miles of pristine countryside, which also happens to be the site of several archeological
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Don't know how else one would build a golf course...anywhere.
And the archeological treasures? Move 'em. Ever heard of Abu Simbel?
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mexipep
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Including me in a thugs gallery.
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"...gives you the right to tell the Mexicans what to do with their land. Its rather obnoxious of you,dont you think. "
It's not Mexicans that are planning to destroy Mexican archaeology, and Mexican ecology, and spoil Mexican open space; block access to the area to
Mexicans, and create waste and pollution of all kinds. Norte Americanos and Canadians are the perpetrators. Why is it that Mexicans don't realize the
treasures they have and try to protect them for themselves? Why do Mexicans allow this destruction to continue? Tell me. |
Nancy Conroy assumes that all who post here are Americans. And she makes a lot of other assumptions as well, claiming again to know anything about
Loreto, everything having to do with Mexico is negative, blah, blah, blah. Nancy, fulano, palmetto, DrEvil, DrEvil13, billybob and others who have
been banned and the latest one ...mexipep are one in the same. Get a life girl. You have serious talent it is proven now put it to good use and stop
wasting your time here. All that negative energy will backfire and you will be the victim not us in here. Take up yoga go on regular nature walks
think good thoughts better yourself and be the best that you can be. Peace. |
Little Miss Pam me lass,
Whilst sitting here having me supper,noticed you included me in a rant against a bunch of posters. If you do not like me disagreeing with your latest
pet project,tell me so in a direct way and please do not let a mid life hormone overload get the best of you.
I think golf courses should be built on all available land as there is no better game on the planet.
Now what if all the nature lovers decided they did not like you overfishing the Sea of Cortez and started a online petition to stop you and all the
americans who come down and overfish your local waters. I would wager that none of your clients are Mexican so that means you and your american
clients are stealing what really belongs to Mexicans. Its a little like the pot calling the kettle black dontchaknow.
It one thing to be wrong but to be a complete hypocrite is another thing altogether.
Perhaps you should start a catch and release only fishing policy if you want to have any credibility here missy.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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bajamigo
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You're so right, Dave! This could happen in Mexico in the 21st century:
In 1959 an international donations campaign to save the monuments of Nubia began: the southernmost relics of this ancient human civilization
were under threat from the rising waters of the Nile that were about to result from the construction of the Aswan High Dam.
The salvage of the Abu Simbel temples began in 1964, and cost some USD $40 million. Between 1964 and 1968, the entire site was cut into large blocks
(up to 30 tons averaging 20 tons), dismantled and reassembled in a new location – 65 m higher and 200 m back from the river, in what many consider one
of the greatest feats of archaeological engineering. Some structures were even saved from under the waters of Lake Nasser.
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flyfishinPam
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One thought is that the increasing restrictions to building in the USA, in states that have water issues such as California and much of the west have
limited the ability of developers to place projects there. So there is more interest to develop in Mexico because they know (or think they know) that
environmental laws are less restrictive and the business climate more favorable.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
So there is more interest to develop in Mexico because they know (or think they know) that environmental laws are less restrictive and the business
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It isn't because enviornmental law is less restrictive. It's because, like all Mexican law, it can be flouted with impunity. And
that, BTW, is exactly why Mexico's business climate is more favorable.
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flyfishinPam
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you won't get an argument about this outta me Dave. but why do we have transparency laws now? i'm not complaining just the opposite but do the
powers that be think that everyone in this country is so ignorant that these will be overlooked by us and not used against them? these are what we
have on our side and there are a LOT if intelligent people studying and using them to their advantage here.
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mexipep
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So what you are saying is that these online protests against an already approved development are as foolish as the fools that push them in the first
place.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
you won't get an argument about this outta me Dave. but why do we have transparency laws now? i'm not complaining just the opposite but do the
powers that be think that everyone in this country is so ignorant that these will be overlooked by us and not used against them? these are what we
have on our side and there are a LOT if intelligent people studying and using them to their advantage here. |
Mexicans have been beat down for so long that transparency is a safe bet. Like a dog trained to a chain on a stake. Remove it and the dog stays.
And intelligence don't count for squat. It's money, power and corruption.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
You're so right, Dave! This could happen in Mexico in the 21st century:
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It's about time they started authenticating all that cave art anyway. All it takes is an airbrush and a little creativity and what do you get? A
tourist attraction.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
They have already constructed a desal plant, whose effluence has wrecked the mussel beds (or whatever they are) at the point. Great intro to the area.
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Oh come on. They just got their federal environmental permits a few weeks ago. They have not built a desal plant. You say you live right next door and
don't even know what they are doing? They aren't going to put the money into a desal plant until the project is almost totally presold. Besides, there
is no need for it until they put in the golf course. You can't win an argument by just making up facts.
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mexipep
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Facts here,just add water from the desal
Its a project which will bring some economic relief to an area that could use it. Those that are against it are using their own agendas imported from
the US to oppose this golf course when its really none of their business for the most part except those that are now Mexican citizens.
Give me a 10:15 am tee time if you would and use a little turpentine to clean that graffiti out of those caves.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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