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ElFaro
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Reasons for not going to Baja...
#1 - Economic...people are not spending extra $s in Baja. I just came from Ensenada Tuesday 8/11...there's no gringo tourists to be found. Only ones
I saw were what looked like 3 veteran fisherman coming up who stopped for lunch.
#2 - Long lines at the border both directions and inspection hassles...I can't say enough about this but it may be tied for #1. I towed a trailer
down last week and stayed in Ensenada for a few days. Counting the toll booths I have to stop now at a combined 5 toll stations and 6 inspections for
going down and coming up. Heading south DHS stopped me just B4 the line at San Ysidro, made me stop, shut off the engine, and proceeded to inspect
the inside of my trailer. Then as I went through the TJ crossing I was directed to Mex. secondary for the same inspection only add checking our
paperwork. Coming back we were inspected by the Mex. army at the San Miguel toll and then again by the Mex. marines at the Blvd. 2000 "T" intersction
at Fox Studios. Then the inspection at the Tecate border by DHS and then again by the Border Patrol checkpoint on Hwy. 94. This kind of Govt. red
tape is a turnoff to those who infrequently travel to Baja.
#3 - U.S. Passport and Mex. visa requirements...I think people don't feel it's worth the hassle or cost to get them for maybe going to Baja a few
times per year.
#4 - Bad Press of killings, etc...goes w/o saying already been dealt with here and other threads.
#5 - Investment Horror stories...already dealt with in other threads.
The only foreigners I see now in Baja are the veteran travelers who have always structured their lives to include Baja, those who have permanent homes
that will necessarily have to go down, and those Canadians that feel they need Baja as a 2nd home in the winter.
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Bajahowodd
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About all the checkpoints, army or otherwise. Let's just say that in the next few years, the cartel problem is solved, and the US implements a sane
immigration policy. Does anyone wish to put some odds on how much, if any of these obstacles will be removed?
[Edited on 8-12-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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paulb87
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Thats a real shame about Mulege and the poor folks that live there. Sadly, most 3rd world countries suffer more at the hands of their own government
than other blights! We've gone there 2 yrs in a row and hope that they'll solve this mess in a hurry, although it may be several mananas!!!
Recession-Flu-Instability-Crime reports.....what's next???
Gringo from Canada...Hola Amigos
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
Reasons for not going to Baja...
#1 - Economic...people are not spending extra $s in Baja. I just came from Ensenada Tuesday 8/11...there's no gringo tourists to be found. Only ones
I saw were what looked like 3 veteran fisherman coming up who stopped for lunch.
#2 - Long lines at the border both directions and inspection hassles...I can't say enough about this but it may be tied for #1. I towed a trailer
down last week and stayed in Ensenada for a few days. Counting the toll booths I have to stop now at a combined 5 toll stations and 6 inspections for
going down and coming up. Heading south DHS stopped me just B4 the line at San Ysidro, made me stop, shut off the engine, and proceeded to inspect
the inside of my trailer. Then as I went through the TJ crossing I was directed to Mex. secondary for the same inspection only add checking our
paperwork. Coming back we were inspected by the Mex. army at the San Miguel toll and then again by the Mex. marines at the Blvd. 2000 "T" intersction
at Fox Studios. Then the inspection at the Tecate border by DHS and then again by the Border Patrol checkpoint on Hwy. 94. This kind of Govt. red
tape is a turnoff to those who infrequently travel to Baja.
#3 - U.S. Passport and Mex. visa requirements...I think people don't feel it's worth the hassle or cost to get them for maybe going to Baja a few
times per year.
#4 - Bad Press of killings, etc...goes w/o saying already been dealt with here and other threads.
#5 - Investment Horror stories...already dealt with in other threads.
The only foreigners I see now in Baja are the veteran travelers who have always structured their lives to include Baja, those who have permanent homes
that will necessarily have to go down, and those Canadians that feel they need Baja as a 2nd home in the winter. |
I have found that these circumstances have created an improvement. Only the people who really like Baja come. These are of course, wonderful people
like Baja Nomads.
The nice hotels and restaurants are in full operation. I know many of my friends who run travel facilities and trips are already heavily booked for
winter.
When I visit/speak to friends in California for example at recent surf and kitesurf competitions, the first thing everyone asks is about schedules and
trips and everyone I know is going to Baja this winter and absolutely can't wait to visit BCS, again.
Yeah its a shakeout, but the result is an improvement in overall quality experience.
Party at Jesse's
Wahoooo Baja!
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tripledigitken
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One positive is there are fewer caravans to deal with on Mex 1!
Ken
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
About all the checkpoints, army or otherwise. Let's just say that in the next few years, the cartel problem is solved, and the US implements a sane
immigration policy. Does anyone wish to put some odds on how much, if any of these obstacles will be removed? |
What is the point? First you have to compute the odds that both of your first two events occur, e.g. cartel problem and US immigration policy.
I'd say the odds that both will occur in the next few years are not even 100:1. Mexico has been in full battle mode with the cartels for more than two
years now and cannot point to one iota of improvement. As long as the US remains in recession with double-digit unemployment, immigration reform is
not possible.
Your comment is like that old joke: "If I had some ham, I could have a ham and cheese sandwich -- if I had some cheese."
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Cypress
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Mulege is a great place. Would be there now if the fishing wasn't so bad. The on and off again electricity/water is not a new situation. You live with the
little inconveniences and enjoy life.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You live with the little inconveniences and enjoy life. |
That seems to be a contradictory statement. It's the lack of inconveniences that make life enjoyable.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You live with the little inconveniences and enjoy life. |
That seems to be a contradictory statement. It's the lack of inconveniences that make life enjoyable. |
Huhhhh???? That went completely over my head. To me you put up with inconveniences because the physical and cultural place is so beautiful and
enjoyable.
I know few that find life without "conveniences" as enjoyable as life WITH conveniences, but everything is a compromise, as it should be.
Barry
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Bajahowodd
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To the contrary, Nancy. High unemployment should be a catalyst for immigration reform.
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Paladin
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Problems with govt in Baja Sur?????
Come to calif....we got all the answers.
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Bajahowodd
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squid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Problems with govt in Baja Sur?????
Come to calif....we got all the answers. |
Yea, well, of course. Especially as that Austrian colaterol damage guy made CA bankcrupt.
I just learned that all companies working for the Gov. are getting no cash at all. Instead a paper which states that they will be paid later Kind of a
Goverment debt paper.
But what if Arnie can't get no money to pay the debt????.
California you got it better OF COURSE
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Bajahowodd
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Personally, I blame it all on Maria Shriver for sleeping with him.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Mulege will Survive and keep on being they great place it is. Great Fishing, Great People, Great Drinks at Jungle Jims.
Don;t put it down, There are great people there who will continue to take care of the American/Canadian Tourist. The guys and gal at jungle Jims will
still have that afternoon Party.
So if you have never been come on down and give it a try..
Skeet
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Bajahowodd
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Mulege is sweet, but not for every taste. It's really attractive when it's not summer. Too much heat and humidity for casual tourists in the summer.
Additionally, there's little infrastructure in the way of services. The best of the hotels are spartan. However, a number of really good restaurants.
Mulege is a very unique place. But, for a large number of folks traveling Baja, may not be a destination.
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Cypress
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arrowhead,  If you say so?
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mulegemichael
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Mulege IS the spot!...we love it there; the climate, the wonderful community, the folks, the fishing and the laid back attitude...if the water and
power go off occasionally, then so be it...we can take it...it's all part of living in paradise...
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
To the contrary, Nancy. High unemployment should be a catalyst for immigration reform. |
Howie, I know you are calling me Nancy because you saw BajaGabacho, Dennis and Sharkbait call me that name. I know this because you have yet to post
an original thought here. I also realize you feel very brave and safe in your room with the curtains drawn, sitting in your underwear posting on the
Internet and eating that cold pizza.
But if you are going to continue to call me Nancy, then I am going to call you Loretta, in honor of the person who wears the pants in your family.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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squid
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well, in another thread - about putting in a topes on the northside of the river - some guys discussed that over and over again. I was the one telling
them to discuss speedbumps in their town. So far so good. I had to learn from some guys here - the one is just staitng he loves Mulege - that they are
discussing those issues BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT MULEGE.
Well, if that is so, and the word 'care' is not just a hollow phrase, then, why don't you care a little with money and help the community?????????
Or what is the meaning of "we care"?
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