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chuckbolton
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today its plastic grocery bags-- 20 yrs ago it seemed to be disposable diapers-- people we notorious for throwing them out of car windows and they
were laying all over-- niether one a postive effect on the landscape
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Mike99km
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The bag blowing in the wind hanging from a cactus is the flag of all Baja. Seen them blowing from one end to the other. The issue is more than just
plastic bags. America would be the same if Ladybird Johnson hadn't started the beautification America back in the 60's. Read Steinbeck's Travel with
Charlie he talk about the trash as he gets closer to towns.This is much to big to solve on a web sight.
Take care of it yourself and try to correct those around you as best you can. The world is changed little bits at a time by people who care.
You live the life you settle for.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W. C. Fields.
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mike99km
The bag blowing in the wind hanging from a cactus is the flag of all Baja. Seen them blowing from one end to the other. The issue is more than just
plastic bags. America would be the same if Ladybird Johnson hadn't started the beautification America back in the 60's. Read Steinbeck's Travel with
Charlie he talk about the trash as he gets closer to towns.This is much to big to solve on a web sight.
Take care of it yourself and try to correct those around you as best you can. The world is changed little bits at a time by people who care.
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Beautifully said! One thing we can each do is "Be the change we want in the world" - gandhi
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MrBillM
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Being and Changing
Indeed, that is a goal worth striving for but, unfortunately, those nagging Criminal codes prevent us from doing a lot of the changing we'd like.
Including at least one use for a plastic bag I can think of.
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GeoRock
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I say go to the heart of the matter. Help convince the Mexican government to educate their public to not litter. It worked in the United States, it
could work in Mexico.
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wilderone
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Once all the Mexicans learn to stow it, not throw it, there needs to be an adequate, properly managed waste site to bring all the collected trash.
What good does it do to collect trash and then dump it in an open field just to let it blow around and stink and pollute. The entire system needs to
be created - education, collection, disposal, recycling. The plastic bag issue is at least an acknowledgment of the problem.
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oldjack
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I recall that a few years ago(5-8?).. that some smart guy came up with a "plastic" bag made from, I think, potatoe's starch or some veggie extract...
our local market actually used them and then said they were too expensive... I think they were something like twice the cost... seems like a bargin
now.... In Los Barriles I placed a 55 gal drum at the end of the street by the beach for BASURA and paid the trash collectors 50p to empty it on a
weekly basis... guess what someone stole the trash container.... trash just isn't important to the Mexicans... I know I get dirty looks/comments when
I offer trash bags to the ones camping out on the local beach.... maybe I need to move away from people???????????????
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jls
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There was life before plastic.... Here they are phasing them out of all the stores. Most now have eco friendly bags or you pay for the old plastic
ones. It is working. I predict in a couple of years they will be gone just like plastic water bottles will be. Almost all plastic here is
recycled and all consumable drink containers have a deposit. It is not that hard to figure out how to get it under control.
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805gregg
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It's not plastic bags we have to worry about . It's overpopulation. Plastic bags are a hiccup compared with a population that exceeds the available
food and water resources. The pope needs to allow birth control.
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MrBillM
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Plastic IS the Solution
At least if you listen to the Eco-Wackos.
They wildly claim that all sorts of hazardous chemical dangers are caused by plastic containers. If correct, their widespread use will lead to
Millions of Birth-Defects and Deaths.
Helping to solve the population problem.
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dianaji
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here is a great link on use of plastic bags. i love this site as there are many things to make. i u join this group, u may find it very interesting,
especially if u are ecology minded and love projects:
http://www.instructables.com/id/S5O44NEFXHJXOM0/
don't be surprised if u see this posted on another great forum, cause i want the whole world to know!
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noproblemo2
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Being on a septic system as many are here in Baja, they are very useful lining my bathroom trash cans, as we don'y put paper in the septic
systems...
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Bajahowodd
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One Thing At a Time
So, as you travel down Highway 1, you see that SCT has placed trash cans along the way. I've always been amazed at how many of those cans have been
dumped onto the ground by scavengers looking for recyclables, and thereby allowing any loose debris such as plastic bags, to blow in the wind.
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Osprey
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Diana, what do you want the world to know? What is the other forum? What I've learned about you so far is your needs. There must be more. Is it for
this venue?
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Diana, what do you want the world to know? What is the other forum? What I've learned about you so far is your needs. There must be more. Is it for
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not sure what u are getting at. i might ask u the same question. are u here to judge me? it's not actually what i want the world to know, it's
what i want to share. and yes, there is a lot more to know. i subscribe to many groups, mostly ecologically and health related.
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noproblemo2
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Can one not just try to improve our planet now-days???
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Osprey
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Why are you texting? This forum is about Baja and you visit here sometimes so we are expecting Baja related subjects in whole English words and I, for
one, am waiting for you to post things Bajaphiles would find interesting. You've spilled your moving problems all over us while asking us to find your
daily bread. Do you now have the time to share some things with us? Did you ever figure out how to get power, water, electricity? It didn't sound to
me that your place is "off the grid" so I guess you simply chose to live as cheaply as possible and hope providence would provide. Your entry into
Baja, your whining about the lack of services told me you would not rank high against my stalwart but determined neighbors from the U.S. and Canada
who think ahead, are self sufficient and hit the ground running, ready and able to help others in no time at all.
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noproblemo2
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So, saving Bajas environment is not liked here??? Hummmmm
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
So, saving Bajas environment is not liked here??? Hummmmm |
WOW! this guy, osprey is sure negative! his posts would never be accepted on that forum which is DEFINITELY about baja! a positive forum where
trolls and negativity is a no-no
as for me, i spend hours a day learning about how to improve the planet, especially by being kind.
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Osprey
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No, bringing mobile homes down here, dumping them on the dirt without even checking on septic/sewer hookup availability is not a good way to start. Go
back and check your friend's first posts and see how much she cared about those kinds of things? Maybe sitting every weekend night in the dark with
her 4,000 succulents is eco neutral but it doesn't sound like fun or Baja to me.
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