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Barry A.
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Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!
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Maybe for you but what about the next guy?
The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.
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Good luck with that, Dave. Let me know how it works out for you.
Elinvestor18 has it exactly right, IMO.
Barry
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Osprey
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I've got all of Gnukid's posts on a CD. He has warned us before to not let the industrial corporate media destroy us. Sooo just after his first
warning, some time back I stopped watching or reading any U.S. or Mexican news. No sports, movies, nothin. I have not watched TV in over two years. He
has me ready for the rapture, ready to give up all my worldly goods (even my lures) and ready to hold hands with "The Group", be saved. Somehow Gnu
has come to fit the profile of those he warns us against. I miss the news. Where and what is Cuidad Constitucion and what's the problem up there?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Osprey:
The problem is that as Americanos go through Constitution they are sometimes pulled over and ask to pay the Officer for a speeding violation, which is
easy to do in that Town.
Flyfish has been trying to "Muster" a group together to see if they can get the Big Shots in La Paz to stop a very Normal type operation that goes on
in the mexican Cultural/.
The Thread deveopled into one of those Call you names crazy kind of things that happens when people disagree. A kind of thing that shows Americanos
trying to Change Mexicanos to their ways.
Skeet
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vandenberg
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See George, one of our more up to date Nomads will come along and give you an excerpted update on the situation. No TV or other news needed.
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wilderone
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"While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our
mutual benefit."
You can apply that to all dilemmas - environmental, social, labor, industry, etc. But a unity of brains rather than brawn would likely be more
effective. A result may not happen overnight - give those who need to figure out a way to save face, cover-up, double deal, effect policy to do that
- as Mexican politicians will. While all along, apply persistent pressure and offer proof.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our
mutual benefit."
You can apply that to all dilemmas - environmental, social, labor, industry, etc. But a unity of brains rather than brawn would likely be more
effective. A result may not happen overnight - give those who need to figure out a way to save face, cover-up, double deal, effect policy to do that
- as Mexican politicians will. While all along, apply persistent pressure and offer proof. |
I believe your serious (???) Eureka, a new UNION is born! Let us know how that works out for you. This points out that we all have different ways
of approaching things, that is for sure. I hope your idea works, tho, but have my serious doubts.
Barry
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BajaBruno
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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I'm just wondering why the outrage now?
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I'm bored, not to mention having a revulsion to power abuse and authority which is symptomatic of PTSD. |
I suppose I should get checked out myself, Dennis--I seem to have the same symptoms. All the best in your crusade.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years? |
Six times.
Whoooops.....should have said, each way.
[Edited on 7-13-2010 by DENNIS] |
So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way? |
Ohhhhhh....you caught me at a bad time. Right now, I'm just not in the mood to be interrogated. Maybe some other time.
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DENNIS
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All the best in your crusade. |
Thanks, Bruno. I'm lookin' around for a Windmill to have it out with. 
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MrBillM
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Abuses and a Moral Conundrum
Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable
(even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in
opposition ?
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
I've got all of Gnukid's posts on a CD. He has warned us before to not let the industrial corporate media destroy us. Sooo just after his first
warning, some time back I stopped watching or reading any U.S. or Mexican news. No sports, movies, nothin. I have not watched TV in over two years. He
has me ready for the rapture, ready to give up all my worldly goods (even my lures) and ready to hold hands with "The Group", be saved. Somehow Gnu
has come to fit the profile of those he warns us against. I miss the news. Where and what is Cuidad Constitucion and what's the problem up there?
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First off let me say I bow down to my mentors here, those of you with world experience, I appreciate your perspectives and take them to heart.
I didn't say cut out all news! I said, all messages have an agenda.
If you listen to corporate TV news you are being heavily programmed for their agendas. Their agenda is for their profit and rarely serves you as an
individual, while local or international news would serve you far better.
It is best to avoid TV entirely but you can still choose news sources that are less likely to have a agenda designed to program and hurt you, for
example I would suggest a broad selection of local and international news, view a few say choose seven regular sources and evaluate their position,
taking that into consideration, as opposed to when you listen to US corp news, they often say things 'could it be' or 'might have been' they create
largely unsubstantiated propaganda with some truth and many lies by omission.
If you want to watch a movie on VHS or DVD or whatever that is generally quite different but be aware that movies too are programming. So choose
carefully.
People who do not watch this crap can easily detect lies, such as ranchers in Baja, while others who are heavily programmed can not-they have a knee
jerk programmed response- this is evidenced here by those posters who constantly go to the false right-left paradigm as a basis for all things, like
our hero. However given some thought it's obvious there are many valid perspectives, not just hard left-right.
This week North American TV received the lowest Neilson rating in recorded history as many people have rejected corporate propaganda in lieu of other sources. People are
rejecting these propaganda sources, MSNBC and Fox now receive far lower numbers than in recent years and far lower than many web based radio shows by
non-corporate hosts.
The history of news propaganda and how it is programmed to your emotional buttons to program you is well described by Edward Bernays that father of
Public Relations and the author of "Propaganda". For further evidence find out what happened to Dan Rather who was fired apparently for telling the truth about Bush's record.
It is not a pleasant subject, however, TV and all forms of corporate news are commercial (and many forms of communication) tools of mind control, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform designed to manipulate your thinking and control your behavior for profit
often to your detriment.
Whether you care or not, whether you care about being controlled is entirely up to you, you may enjoy it, like the Hitler youth, fun to be part of
group, or you may not, simply be aware when you allow yourself to go into a passive state in front a TV screen flashing a high refresh rates, while
watching layered imagery with beautiful faces reading from scripts, you are being heavily programmed to your personal detriment.
You ever notice that people in Baja who do not have electricity seem quite a bit more perceptive and healthy than those that do? And that those silly
campers with satelite dishes don't seem to have a clue about the world? Where as the abuela cooking in the taqueria is prescient, how is that?
Try it, turn off your TV for 6 months and see what happens when you catch a glimpse and watch corporate news, you will see it as hyperbolic nonsense.
The elite consider the masses to be dumb as bricks, worthless, and in general they are, now is the moment to decide for yourself if you want to be led
to your pathetic demise by corporate slop, or if you prefer to direct yourself in life, you choose your agenda, the world is changing at an extremely
rapid pace.
In particular Tv fails to remind us we are bombing, torturing and murdering our children everyday at an increasing rate... because, "Because we think the price is worth it?" why?
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Dave
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does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in opposition ? |
While I share your support of mordida, I can think of no reason why anyone would champion extortion...
Unless they were part of the plot. 
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Chapala-ex
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable
(even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in
opposition ? |
Could that duty require riding shotgun with the abusers?
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable
(even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in
opposition ? |
Hu?
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way? |
Ohhhhhh....you caught me at a bad time. Right now, I'm just not in the mood to be interrogated. Maybe some other time. |
No, that's not the answer we were looking for. Back to the Rape Chamber for you!
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gnukid:
A very well wrttin Post, even through I do disagree to many of the ideas you put forth.
One of the reasons for the demise in numbers is the heavy use of Texting and Twitter and the Internet.
I am one of those people who quit TV several Months ago. Tried again tday and sure enough, same old thing. Somebody talking about the Black Panther,
somebody trying to Answer and getting Shouted down.
Gnukid. Why is it that thexes young Protesters keep shouting down the Opposition?? Is it that they are Afraid for the other followers to hear another
side of the Question?? Or is it that thier Weak minds cannot comprehend??
I have found TRUTH in your words about the Mexicano People who do not have TV. I lived in a very wonderful place called San Nicholas. There were only
about 5 families , no Electricity, no TV, and lots of good folks.
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BajaBruno
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable
(even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in
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There doesn't seem to be much diversity here: there is Skeet on one side, and everyone else on the other. Maybe Dennis would welcome the balance if
you jumped in on Skeet's side and help perform that duty to act in opposition. 
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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BajaBruno
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GnuKid, not to hijack Dennis' tirade, but I assume you have read Noam Chomsky. I am a big fan of him and highly recommend his books on the propaganda
of democratic states.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
There doesn't seem to be much diversity here: there is Skeet on one side, and everyone else on the other. Maybe Dennis would welcome the balance if
you jumped in on Skeet's side and help perform that duty to act in opposition.
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You betcha....
MrBill....Fair and Balanced.
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