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We will pick up several tires on the way down...it is a small thing to so to help. It does look awful as you are driving down. Plastic bags also.
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Fresh salad
Building elevated vegi bins with wood is cost prohibitive in most Baja.....try a tire garden
San Felipe ...out in the Edido north of town, there used to be PILES of tires....not many anymore, same coming into town.
[Edited on 8-17-2010 by mcfez]
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mcfez
Like that idea!. Besides used for small fences around here, some are turned into fancy planters with fluted edges.
And Barry, I hate to disagree,  but those bias tires tend to be so stiff and as
conservative, set in their ways, and not adaptable to new and different environments. Thus as the radials are open, progressive, and more adaptable
to change, they are surely more adoptable.
PS---I like what you did with the old tires in the back country---good one.
And if all else fails with the tires, they do make almost indestructable soles for shoes----just cannot wear them out.
Hope everyone will feel good and either adopt an old tire or take one to a proper burial ground.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
if all of the folks that drive down to San Felipe picked up a bad tire and delivered it to a dump or recycling center in either SF or Mexicali, the
road would be cleaned up in no time.
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Should clean up the mess.
If I invite guests to my home I wouldn't expect them to take out my garbage. |
I guess your sliver of a narrow view is possible, however I was brought up differently.
If I were am guest in your home, I would, take out the garbage and offer my help with any obvious problems that you may have in your home.
That being said, I am not a guest in Mexico, I am a few years away from being a citizen and I am currently a legal resident,so as a guess in my home,
if you want, feel free to help it stay clean by grabbing a tire or two.
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I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the
natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that
particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an
appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not
mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe
her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of
what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an
outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the
natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that
particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an
appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not
mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe
her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of
what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an
outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right. |
This isn't the case at all in San Felipe. As a matter of fact there are certain Mexican businessmen leading the campaign here to first clean up the
streets, roads, sidewalks and beaches and starting programs to keep them that way. Don't use that as an excuse to not help.
The whole implied superiority thing I believe might be your own perception and interpretation.
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mcfez
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this is very correct
| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the
natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that
particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an
appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not
mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe
her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of
what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an
outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right. |
This isn't the case at all in San Felipe. As a matter of fact there are certain Mexican businessmen leading the campaign here to first clean up the
streets, roads, sidewalks and beaches and starting programs to keep them that way. Don't use that as an excuse to not help.
The whole implied superiority thing I believe might be your own perception and interpretation. |
Donjulio is very right about this. A while back ago.....Downtown Merchants and the Rotary Club (and I am sure a few others involved) got together
with a clean it up campaign. If I am correct...they got the highway from outside of Mexicali to SF cleaned up with help from the Mexicali politicians
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Seen this happen in other towns as well...in the USA!
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| Quote: | I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the
natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that
particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an
appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not
mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe
her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of
what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an
outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right. |
It is my home. Home has nothing to do with the culture that surrounds it. Home is where you make it. Culturually, I don't think I will ever be a
Mexican or Italian or American. However, that doesn't mean that I won't give new Mexican things a try. And it doesn't mean that I won't be laughed
at. In fact I probably have met many Mexicans because I was so out of place. They laughed at me and then helped me understand what I was doing, that
made them laugh.
Los Lonley Boy's have a song called Guero's in the Barrio.
One of the young men that helps me around my house I started calling Guero. He took it funny and laughed every time I called him that. That day
after work have a few beers he explained to me that I was Guero. I had no idea it meant a white person. We had a great laugh and now all of the guys
are calling themselves Guero.
I will take a laugh any day over a snear and a bad attitude.
You need some folks to laugh at you, it sounds like. I think I call you Oscar.
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"The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to
start a cleaning campaign."
Objectively that may the case, but it's possible their egos were bruised and their pride prevented them from joining in the effort. You know how macho
Mexicans are. Too bad Mexicans don't welcome gueros and gueras into their communities - LIKE WE DO IN THE US (and don't go off on a tangent about
illegal vs. legal immigration - I'm talking about a nation built of immigrants - Italian, Somalia, Vietnamese, etc). Maybe Mexicans need to learn a
few things about immigrants, civic duty and respect for their neighbors -of all races.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I probably will regret admitting this, but I have hauled dozens (maybe 100's?) of tires out of the boon-docs over the years and deposited them along
the main highways on the shoulders, and they always disappeared eventually. I knew of nobody who would take them off my hands unless if I paid them
to. This was in the USA, and probably would not work in Baja-----they might just sit there forever down there. 
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Barry the local landfill takes them for free for recycling, at least here in Bakersfield.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tjBill
One of the problems is the tires containment the soil and water when it rains
[Edited on 8-16-2010 by tjBill] |
a real problem for the tarantulas, scorpions and ground squirrels
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
I watched a TV program once about a guy who takes old tires and turns them into paving blocks used by municipalities for sidewalks, garden mulch, and
I don't know what else. Makes millions. |
don't they still use old tires for the soles on Huraches (sp?) 
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
don't they still use old tires for the soles on Huraches (sp?)
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They've been having problems with the steel-belted sandals at the airports. Lots of noise when walking through the metal detectors. That's why Gucci
quit making them.
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| Quote: | If I am correct... cleaned up with help from the Mexicali politicians
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What? I've never heard of politicans cleaning up anything
Bob Durrell
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While browsing for info on Cabo Pulmo issues, I found info on a joint US/Mexico tire recovery program along with some other contaminant diversion
project info:
http://www.epa.gov/border2012/docs/bulletins/CA_BJ_Waste_bulletin_2008_Eng_v11.pdf[/url]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Building elevated vegi bins with wood is cost prohibitive in most Baja.....try a tire garden
San Felipe ...out in the Edido north of town, there used to be PILES of tires....not many anymore, same coming into town.
[Edited on 8-17-2010 by mcfez] |
The ejido north of San Felipe also has a hugh house built from tires. It's painted a bright red orange color, just looks like a house with lumpy
walls.
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She (can't remember her name) actually built 3 or 4 houses from tires.
Campo Ocotillo has used tires for retaining walls for many years. Of course when hurricane Nora hit in 97, they were scattered for miles up and down
the beaches.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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The woman in the Ejido who built the houses from tires---Melody ? but I cant remember her last name either?
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That's who I was thinking of, Melody.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
She (can't remember her name) actually built 3 or 4 houses from tires.
Campo Ocotillo has used tires for retaining walls for many years. Of course when hurricane Nora hit in 97, they were scattered for miles up and down
the beaches. |
We finally convinced Salvador to rid the tires (a few years ago)! 70% are gone. bajalou......you know folks in Campo Ocotillo? We have the house on
the "y" that looks like an 1800's mission (or a Taco Bell!). Has bell tower.
Also...yes the orange house is a tire house out there in the North edido .....across from them..there are two more tire houses built about the same
time.
[Edited on 8-20-2010 by mcfez]
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There's more to tires than maladaptive personality issues. Some have self actualized through transformative engineering 
http://www.bestpricetoys.com/tire-swingskids-swing/
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
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