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mtgoat666
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Popular vote:
Bush 50,456,002 votes (47.87%)
Gore 50,999,897 votes (48.38%)
Nader 2,882,955 votes (2.74%)
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bajajudy
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70 on the porch this morning.....cool
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Popular vote:
Bush 50,456,002 votes (47.87%)
Gore 50,999,897 votes (48.38%)
Nader 2,882,955 votes (2.74%) |
Those are countrywide popular vote totals. We do not elect presidents by popular vote, but you knew that.
Bush 271
Gore 266
It's the same as the immigration situation - we have laws and if we just arbitrarily and individually decide which laws to respect and which not, the
whole system falls apart (which it is doing today). If you don't like a law, fight to change it. Having lived half my life outside the U.S. I can tell
you the alternatives are untenable.
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Roberto
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And by the way, the Supreme Court decision ruling the Florida court's recount unconstitutional was 7-2, meaning that it was not split along
ideological lines.
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sanquintinsince73
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Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your
views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without
fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !!
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rts551
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But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your
views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without
fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !! |
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your
views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without
fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !! |
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...errr Democracy and evolution in action???
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rts551
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I can agree that this board has evolved into a political forum.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your
views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without
fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !! |
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...errr Democracy and evolution in action??? |
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Russ
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You thread highjackers really pi$$ me off
temps have really dropped...
is the thread and when I go to see an update of how things are I get a bunch of mierda.
Thanks a lot.....
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
You thread highjackers really pi$$ me off
temps have really dropped...
is the thread and when I go to see an update of how things are I get a bunch of mierda.
Thanks a lot..... |
Sorry to pee you off, Russ......but hey yeah temperatures have really dropped. Gonna warm up again this weekend although not as hot as it's been.
Here's lookin' at ya.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
You thread highjackers really pi$$ me off
temps have really dropped...
is the thread and when I go to see an update of how things are I get a bunch of mierda.
Thanks a lot..... |
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I guess Al (and goat) believed that commie book that said if you tell a lie enough times it will be believed to be truth.
The economy was booming* until congress changed hands in Jan., 2007. It was been dropping like a rock ever since, worse after the White House changed
hands in Jan., 2009.
*Really amazing considering we suffered the worse attack on the U.S. in our history in 2001 (9 months following the 8 years of Clinton as Commander in
Chief)...
The boom after 9-11 shows you what dropping the tax rate for everyone can do... and not making business (which creates wealth) the enemy.
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Aahh, David, I see that you fell for that economy-run-on-a-credit card scam that Repugs do so well. The economy didn't boom under Reagan, either. They
just ran up the national debt just as the Bushies did. The economy WAS booming under Clinton, when the government actually posted some surpluses. But
he was a Democrat (at least in name), so he doesn't count, I suppose.
The economy wasn't booming before the White House changed hands, either. The bills came due in October (Thank gawd, or we'd probably have that McCain
fellow leading us into another war by now) just before your boy Bushie got out of the White House. But of course, in your re-writing of history, the
bank bail outs and mortgage melt down happened AFTER Obama moved in.
The "boom" after 9/11 was the product of a Congress that was afraid to say "no" to a "War Time President." It was pure fiction. Congress simply
started writing blank checks to cover whatever the president asked for (talk about spending money like a drunken sailor, something I know a bit
about). There was no growth in production (other than in the war industry, which is a dead horse for practical purposes). The problem with this type
of "boom" is that eventually the bills come due (see above). Oh yeah, the "housing industry" was really booming, and we all have seen how well that
worked out--nothing but a house of cards (pardon my pun).
David, you should really stick to opinionating on Baja. THAT, you do real well. Leave the economic theorising to those who understand it a little
better
ps: it was your boy Bush who said that if you promote something enough (lie about it), the people eventually believe it.
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David K
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Ah my amigo... yes, let's stick to Baja... but before we do, let me make sure I was not mis-interpreteted...
You said: "The economy WAS booming under Clinton, when the government actually posted some surpluses. But he was a Democrat (at least in name), so he
doesn't count, I suppose."
I have many times said that in America the budget is controlled by congress... yet the president in power at the time gets the credit or blame...
In the 90's the economy boomed AFTER the Republicans were elected in control (Clinton was president)... and they stayed in control until they lost
their way and acted like Democrats with spending... they were fired in Nov. 2006. The economic disaster began after the Democratic congress took over
in 2007... (but Bush was still president until 2009, so was blamed for the downturn caused by the Dems.) and got worse after the presidency went
Democratic in 2009... No more checks and balances... just spend spend spend... adding fuel to the fire. Bush was a big spender and went along with
most Democratic bills, no vetos, you should have loved him for being so anti-conservative?!
It is getting worse, not better...
The people were fooled in 2008, but they will turn the table in 2010.
But, what do you care about American politics anymore...? You live in a tropical paradise of another nation. 
Lucky guy!   
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Salsa
If they did a recount of all of Florida (not just the counties that AlGore wanted, the results would have been the same.
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What about the polling places that were closed in the largly African-American districts?
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Took my bait...
Does it really matter, is it really important which dictatorship promoted lying to the people? The point is the former vice president has been lying,
to line his pockets and promote government power over the people. 
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My apologies to whomever it was above who gets peeed off by us thread hijackers, but...
I know there's no changing minds in such arguments, David, but really. In a comparison of the last two vice presidents, are you going to use that
criteria to judge Gore by after what Dick put us through? Lying? Lining one's pockets? Promote government power over the people?
Man, David, I must say that I'm more than a bit disappointed.
I guess you fall into that 20% who will support your side no matter what. And you think so well when it comes to Baja stuff. Puzzling.
Careful, there, David, you're making me re-think that invite for a November visit
[Edited on 10-8-2010 by Bajatripper]
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Bajatripper
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I better sign out on this thread before I spend the rest of the night answering opposing views with opinions that nobody cares about and which change
no one's mind. When facts have no bearing on one side's argument, what's the point?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
In the 90's the economy boomed AFTER the Republicans were elected in control (Clinton was president)... |
i think the 1990s economic boom was due to dot com explosion after al gore invented the internet,
and due to groovy good time feelings that clinton fostered
yes we can! (if only we can get rid of the teabagers nattering nabobs of negativity)
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David K
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Isn't it sad that the side the is supposed to be the 'champion' of free speech' and 'open discussion of all ideas' just has a fit when their view of
history is countered with another point of view?
Friendships should not be based on political views... I don't care what you think about politics... But at least be honest with the facts as they have
been established. America was booming shortly after the attack of 9-11 right up to 2007. Other than a breif drop because of the attack, we were doing
great from 1997-2007. Check for yourself who was in charge of the budget those years. Congress NOT the president controls the budget.
I really try and post facts, as that is my way... What you see in my Baja trip reports are the conditions as they were when I was there... Politics is
not really that different when it comes to history... No matter how manny times the vote was recounted, Gore lost... and they still aren't happy...
Let it go, already!
If you all liked the economy of the late 1990's, then repeat what happened in 1996 next month, vote the party in power OUT!
Since nobody complained when Mt. Goat turned this thread political, it would look like the side that answered him is not allowed equal time without
all the destractions being posted... tsk, tsk!
No open-ness, no free discussion, no open minds...unless what is posted is liberalism or anti-Americanism. sad sad...
Well, let's have a beer and forget the past... it can't be changed, anyway... well that is until the history books are re-written! YIKES!!
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The economic disaster began after the Democratic congress took over in 2007... (but Bush was still president until 2009, so was blamed for the
downturn caused by the Dems.) and got worse after the presidency went Democratic in 2009... No more checks and balances... just spend spend spend...
adding fuel to the fire. Bush was a big spender and went along with most Democratic bills, no vetos, you should have loved him for being so
anti-conservative?!
It is getting worse, not better...
The people were fooled in 2008, but they will turn the table in 2010.
But, what do you care about American politics anymore...? You live in a tropical paradise of another nation.
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I wish I could care less about politics, living down here as I do. Unfortunately, I fall under the "if you aren't peeed off, you haven't been paying
attention" school of politics.
What happened between 2007 and 2009 is irrelevant on the grand scale of things. The Wall Street rips offs, inflated real estate bubble, bank scams,
etc. had been going on for a lot longer than that, and it is very disingenous to attribute it to two years of cowardly Democratic control of Congress.
Sorry, but Repug thinking on politics (and many other areas, such as social issues) really gets my blood to boiling. Let's stick to Baja, shall we?
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the water temp..
Well I guess, never mind. Thanks anyways... i'll just
figure it out for my self. thanks
marty
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