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Skipjack Joe
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I think that if the Giants pitch like they did in the Atlanta series Santiago will be a happy man.
If the Giants had pitched the way they did against the Phils they would have never gotten past Atlanta.
If 3 of their 4 starters play to their full potential they should take Texas. But Sanchez is struggling. Lincecum isn't in top form either.
One thing's for sure, if Boche had been coaching the Giants in the 2002 World Series they would have been champs. Did you see him pull Lincecum after
1 out? The man is fearless. Baker keeps Lincecum in because of his reputation. BTW, Alex and I watched the 2002 World Series at that pizza parlor in
St. Rosalia, the one with Marilyn Monroe on the wall. I'll never forget that 8th inning home run in game 6.
We get nothing but Giants baseball on the tube. It's hard to be a Dodger fan when all you get are their box scores in the morning paper.
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You probably mean the SEVENTH inning home run hit by Spiezio; the 3 run shot in game 6? That made it 5-3, Giants still leading.
Darin Erstad DID hit a homer in the in the 8th but that was a solo shot and only made the score 5-4, Giants still leading. Then came the single to
center by Salmon, the bloop double to left by Garret Anderson that Bonds stereoided out thighs wouldnt allow him to get to, and then the ringing
double up the alley by Glaus (again, past the pumped up Bonds) for the lead. After that comeback, facing elimination, the 4-1 win the following day
seemed SOOOO anticlimactic. It really wasn't a very exciting game.
I think the edge Texas has is that 2 of the 4 Giant starters are lefties, which plays well into Texas' strength; Vlad, Michael Young, Cruz, Bengie,
Elvis, Kinsler. Hamilton hits everyone, so that doesnt matter.
If Cliff Lee can shut down the Yankees and the Rays, he should get his two wins against the weaker Giant hitters. That leaves the Giants having to win
when Sanchez and Bumgardner pitch. Not a very likely scenario.
My sleeper pick for Series MVP...........Mitch Moreland.
[Edited on 10-24-2010 by Hook]
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The Giants won last night the way they always win...painfully. Barely squeeking by with one-run wins is what they do, causing agonizing suspense and
pain to the San Francisco fans.
In the Series with the Rangers, it should be more of the same. I do think the deep bullpen and Bochy will make the difference in the end. Like the
playoffs, the games seem to hinge on the breaks, and avoiding errors. There is such parity this year. Any game in any series could go either way.
So, fill yer pipe. Enjoy. Baja will be there waiting for you when the Giants finally win the World Series. Peace Out!  
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It's hard to argue against Hook's analysis, so I won't. He and Igor are fundamentally correct; the Giants don't really have much of a chance. But
this year, things just seemed to break their way when they needed it. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if SD hadn't gone 0 for 10 in Sept.
We're going to Costco today to lay in 7 games worth of brats, beer, ribs and all the fixings. My buddy's got his new fancy smancy TV all ready. I've
got my voice mail recording set up so customers know why I'm not answering the phone. I've bought enough tissue to get through the eventual outcome as
I weep in victory and defeat. SWMBO has enough D cell batteries to get her through the next 2 weeks as apparently I'm useless whenever my team's in
the series.
Me and my house?.... we're ready.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by nobaddays
The Giants WILL choke |
They're choking on their Champagne 
[Edited on 10-25-2010 by bajafreaks]
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Skipjack Joe
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I didn't say the Giants don't have much of a chance.
Three of the four best pitchers in that series wear a Giants uniform. Even with 2 Lee victories they still need two more, and I don't believe he will
get 2 wins to begin with.
Hook mentioned the weaker hitting of Philadelphia and Atlanta. The hitting always looks weak when it's neutralized by good pitching. All those hall of
famers, Mays, McCovey, and Cepeda amounted to nothing when they faced Koufax and Drysdale. Similarly, the Texans will mysteriously go into a hitting
slump in the World Series.
The Giants have a great chance if Lincecum, Caine, and Sanchez bring their A games. But all three have to be right on and that has seldom happened. We
need a 'Perfect Storm' <groan>.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
The same could be said of Texas (Tampa and NY) but I think the Rangers are by far the better hitting team and the starting pitching is about even.
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The starting pitching is about even? There you are wrong my friend.
The braves and phils wern't slumping until they met the Gigantes. Good pitching will beat good hitting most days.
I'm going to game one on Wednesday. Trip delayed til Nov 5.
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Braves hadn't hit all year. Phils improved a bit in September but were still underachieving according to their manager, Charlie Manuel, during his
post-series interviews. He stated emphatically that lack of hitting was the biggest problem the Phils had this year.
Texas has hit well all year AND they FINALLY have all their players healthy, for the first time since April.
I just dont think the Giants can keep up this "garbage" method of scoring runs. Or, if they do, it wont be enough runs to outscore the Rangers.
[Edited on 10-25-2010 by Hook]
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Hook,
Here are the stats from game 6.
San Francisco 002 000 010 — 3 13 0
Philadelphia 200 000 000 — 2 8 1
There's a lot of talk about the Giants being 'lucky'. As I see it had the Phillies won that would have been lucky as they had half the hits the Giants
had. In fact, you could argue that getting 3 runs for 13 hits is actually pretty 'unlucky'.
No, the Giants are for real. They've a two-time Cy Young winner and a no-hit pitcher in their starting rotation.
But what do I know.
I was sure Sonny Liston was gonna knock the bejeezus out of Cassius Clay.
I was sure the Baltimore Colts were gonna were going to stomp on Namath's Jets.
I said that Lee couldn't win the series for the Rangers by hisself (I think they talk that way in Texas), but then I remembered what Hershiser did to
the A's.
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We are Yankee fans, and them Texans looked GOOD!
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Well, I guess this is why they play the games............to settle it once and for all.
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If the Giants win game one today...its over! Giants in five.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
One thing's for sure, if Boche had been coaching the Giants in the 2002 World Series they would have been champs.. |
not as exiciting as the 1989 series
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
If the Giants win game one today...its over! Giants in five. |
That would mean they would win both games Cliff Lee starts.
Now, THAT'S a bold prediction!
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Biggest loser: Fox. Predictions are that this series will have some of the lowest ratings seen in a long, long time. One cause is that the Giants are
in it. LA, being the second largest media market in the country is chock full of Giant haters. So ratings should be in the basement in LA.
Personally, I don't get how anyone could "hate" a sports team. But, that's how the media reports it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
That would mean they would win both games Cliff Lee starts.
Now, THAT'S a bold prediction! |
Errr.... You were saying?
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Havent been proved wrong yet.
Lee had only three of his four pitches tonight. I think he got exactly ONE curveball over for a strike. The Giants really didnt have to adjust to much
change of speed. And they took advantage of it. Very good hitting night by the Giants.
[Edited on 10-28-2010 by Hook]
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Skipjack Joe
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Yes, but the prediction isn't as bold anymore.
Anyway, I was going to ask you, Hook. Have you noticed how often the Giants hit balls down the right and left field lines? I'm thinking the hitters
must be actually trying to do that because it seems as though every 3rd hit is of that nature. Ever hear of such a strategy?
P.S. Santiago is going to sleep well tonight.
[Edited on 10-28-2010 by Skipjack Joe]
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There was no pain in San Francisco tonight....................except for the hurt the Giants put on the Rangers.
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Only a very few really good hitters have so much bat control that they can put a ball along the line whenever they want to. Rod Carew comes to mind.
Matty Alou was another; you older Giant fans will remember him. These were both what are referred to as "slap" hitters, i.e.' they can slap the ball
anywhere it's pitched. Slap hitters are usually not home run hitters.
The number of balls hit down the lines is usually coincidental. But, yes, there were quite a few of them tonight. Most of the Giants hits down the
line were due to being slightly "out in front" of a lot of pitches. If, as a batter, you EXACTLY time your swing to the exact moment the pitch is
crossing the mid section of the plate, then theoretically the ball will go up the middle of the diamond somewhere. Being "out in front" of a ball
means you're swinging just slightly early. The ball can still remain fair but it wont go up the middle of the diamond. If you're too much out in
front, the ball likely will go way foul OR you can be so out in front that your bat crosses the plate before the ball get there.
With Cliff Lee unable to command (throw for a strike) his curveball tonight, he was reluctant to use it. All his other pitches were in the 88-92 mph
range. This simplified the task for the Giant hitters. With no curveballs likely to be thrown (curves are generally in the 70-80 mph range), timing
the bat to the speed of the pitch became easier. It is harder to hit 88-92 mph pitches, when an occasional 70-80 mph pitch is included. Your timing as
a hitter gets thrown off by seeing pitches of vastly different speeds, back to back.
And as with most things in life, timing is everything.
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