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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
'Man caused global warming' (or 'climate change' as they renamed it since the world is not warming) is the biggest lie that is costing billions just
to fatten up the governments of the world, and out of work politicians like algore. |
Same goes for you DK, if you want to rant about the existence or not of global warming start a topic about it, this thread is about a gill
net.......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by UnoMas
Dt,
Was that here on the East Cape? What a shame but things do go sideways sometimes.
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It was between La Capilla and Rancho Leonero near the "shark shack" if you know where that is.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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RichBaja
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Gill Nets is a democrat!
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichBaja
Gill Nets is a democrat! |
Of FCS RB, and TROLLING.... That is almost as stooopid as gillnetting....
I hate waste.... Especially wasted life, no matter what species...
The practice should be eliminated and outlawed internationally - period.
[Edited on 12-1-2011 by djh]
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichBaja
Gill Nets is a democrat! |
Of FCS RB, and TROLLING.... That is almost as stooopid as gillnetting....
I hate waste.... Especially wasted life, no matter what species...
The practice should be eliminated and outlawed internationally - period.
[Edited on 12-1-2011 by djh] |
I agree with your entire statement
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Pompano
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Just saying...
Netting in Dec, 2009 Bay of Conception and entrance. 10,000 kilos a day average for a week. 70,000
kilos. Sierra Mackerel.
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A different type of sierra harvesting.
My best sierra dog alerted me to the sierra school in front of the casa.
School is now in session.
Like a gazelle, a Fisherman springs into action....without a net, though. 
Shore casting/angling from shore..Coyote Casa. 2.1 kilos. Sierra mack for ceviche or grilled to perfection.
The other by-product fish are incidental cabrilla and... 2 walleyes?
I don't try to make a living by commercial fishing.... anymore.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Cypress
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The inshore fishing will continue to decline as long as the gill netters are allowed to operate. It has already reached the tipping point. There's
zero chance of a rebound if the gill netters continue 24/7 12 months every year. Herding reef fish with hooka divers has decimated the reefs. It just
goes on and on.....
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bajadogs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
'Man caused global warming' (or 'climate change' as they renamed it since the world is not warming) is the biggest lie that is costing billions just
to fatten up the governments of the world, and out of work politicians like algore. |
Goat's post was a heck of a lot more Baja oriented and way less political than this quote. Why aren't you ever in off-topic David? Are you too good
for it? 
Ghost nets suck!!!
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Cypress
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Anthropogenic global warming was a totally political "boogie man". Has been shot down by facts. Gill nets? Who linked gill nets to global warming? Not much fun shooting fish in a barrel.
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sancho
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Interesting to me is how often, as in ALWAYS, this
Anti Science/Anti Conservation stance is voiced by
people on the Deracha side, generally people do
things with a MOTIVE, what do you people think is
the motive behind the Climate Change Theory you call
a Myth? What do these Scientists Wouldwide have to gain
taking that position? Some of you guys remind my of my older, uneducated, unread,
untravelled delusional father in law. A couple of you guys need to form a Baja Chapter of 'The Moon Landing Was Staged Club' [Edited on 12-3-2011 by
sancho]
[Edited on 12-3-2011 by sancho]
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Cypress
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There's always a fresh crop of gullible folks who fall for every flim-flam scam that comes down the pike. Anthropogenic global warming is just the
flavor of the week. Science? How 'bout, fabricated stats etc... You must not be keeping track of the global warming shell game. 
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dtbushpilot
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Sooooo......anybody have any GILL NET stories or observations?......
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Ramon
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Ringer!
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadogs
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
'Man caused global warming' (or 'climate change' as they renamed it since the world is not warming) is the biggest lie that is costing billions just
to fatten up the governments of the world, and out of work politicians like algore. |
Goat's post was a heck of a lot more Baja oriented and way less political than this quote. Why aren't you ever in off-topic David? Are you too good
for it?
Ghost nets suck!!! |
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Sooooo......anybody have any GILL NET stories or observations?...... |
Yup...been taking these type of photos in Conception Bay for almost 40 years. Got quite a collection going.
Hey....! Is it just me...or is it getting hot in here??
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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redhilltown
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They do suck. But they don't suck in a vacuum. The only two possibilities for them ending is if the locals can find another way to make money or the
buyers/market for the product dry up. The Mexican government cannot stop armed drug thugs from killing at random so enforcement of throwing some nets
in the water is never going to be the solution. Which is a shame as the Sea of Cortez I believe is the only sea in the world controlled by one nation
only...they can shut anything down they want. What blows me away is how little these guys really get for their catch...it is just a few middle men
and the buyers making all the dough. And Sierra! Of just about all fish they travel and "age" poorly. Unless you are flying daily flights out of
these areas there is no such thing as a "fresh" Sierra wherever they may be headed to market.
I wish I had a magic wand and I hate to be negative but I would love to hear some thoughts on how any of this could change.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
I wish I had a magic wand and I hate to be negative but I would love to hear some thoughts on how any of this could change. |
Population control? :-)
I was reading the other day about turkeys being bought for Thanksgiving day. 47 MILLION were sold in the United States for this special day. 47
MILLION! One day!
My point is about the numbers here. Just sit back for a minute and imagine the food resources for 7 BILLION per day! Stuff like gill nets and
such.....will exist unfortunately.
It's all in the numbers, population control.
Side note here: I thought Goats post was a very good input. Was facts...not political. Good post Goat.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Cypress
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No. It's a lack of leadership in a difficult situation. When a resource is being over-exploited the people intrusted with their management have to
make some hard choices. Not being done. What are they paying 'em for? Corruption on a grand scale? Have found much better fishing in other places, but
still PO'ed about the ongoing destruction of the Sea of Cortez fishery.
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bajadogs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Sooooo......anybody have any GILL NET stories or observations?...... |
Yes, but I can't tell the stories because by definition the they are "Political".
It is a shame the Manta Rays washed up in a ghost net. We could have real discussion and work on solutions, but that would be "political", eh?
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last march, after the tsunami. the boys set this net for 3 days straight. total catch = 2 corBina..... 
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I have fished for salmon using gillnets. When used properly, they are species specific, and even size specific. Gillnetting produces more protein with
less fuel consumed than any other fishery. That's about the end of the good news. Like anything, they can be abused with disasterous results. Leaving
a gillnet in the water for more than a few hours is pointless, the fish caught will be spoiled and rotting before they even get into the boat. The
very small mesh mono nets used in Baja catch everything. Using them all the time will certainly destroy a small ecosystem of resident fish, but using
them on schooled transient fish is probably sustainable, provided there is some scientific oversight, which I doubt is the case in the SOC.
I guess my goal in this post is to suggest that Gillnets aren't bad in every case, and that their use may be appropriate in some fisheries some of the
time.
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