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MitchMan
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Does anyone know if the big new 'Salvatierra" hospital in La Paz is a private or public hospital?
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comitan
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Public!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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EnsenadaDr
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Seguro Popular vs. Seguro Social
I find it hard to believe Seguro Popular is charging for anything. Are you sure you aren't talking about Seguro Social or IMSS? They charge an
annual fee. | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mula
Cuidad Constitucion Seguro Popular Administration Office did not charge 5 of us for our policies in March when we got them.
Interesting.
And we have used the services and not been charged a thing for either pills or service. |
The first two years we had Seguro Popular, we had to pay around 800 pesos the first year and around 500 the next. The last two years have been free,
although it wasn't clear why.
They do seem to have a problem stocking meds, but at these prices, I certainly have never felt entitled to complain. I figure a trip to the pharmacy
will more than likely be part of whatever treatment is required.
Good post, EnsenadaDr. |
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Here's my take on this. If you have an emergency, such as heart attack or stroke, you will be more likely to be treated with Seguro Popular at the
closest location, which is important as well, as time is of the essence. I encourage anyone to apply for Seguro Popular. It is better than nothing.
However, the deductible is another thing. It is something you pay. So if you are trying to use the Seguro Popular for the $5000 deductible, forget
about it. You have not paid that amount out of pocket, so it will not satisfy the deductible requirement. Seguro Popular cannot be used at the
Private Mexican Hospitals, and it does cover meds, but you have to go to the designated clinics for an office visit to get them.
[Edited on 6-5-2012 by EnsenadaDr] |
No, I am not trying to charge Seguro Popular for the 5K deductible.
I am trying to allow for choosing which coverage I use if I am in need of medical care. If the same hospital accepts both and the expected charges are
below 5K, then I would hope to use S.P. Does that not make sense?
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EnsenadaDr
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Deductible
Usually, Seguro Popular hospitals are public government funded hospitals and not the same as far as "plusher" appearance of private hospitals. But,
call your insurance provider and ask them that question. Hopefully, you can get back to us and let us know. What insurance do you have? | Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Here's my take on this. If you have an emergency, such as heart attack or stroke, you will be more likely to be treated with Seguro Popular at the
closest location, which is important as well, as time is of the essence. I encourage anyone to apply for Seguro Popular. It is better than nothing.
However, the deductible is another thing. It is something you pay. So if you are trying to use the Seguro Popular for the $5000 deductible, forget
about it. You have not paid that amount out of pocket, so it will not satisfy the deductible requirement. Seguro Popular cannot be used at the
Private Mexican Hospitals, and it does cover meds, but you have to go to the designated clinics for an office visit to get them.
[Edited on 6-5-2012 by EnsenadaDr] |
No, I am not trying to charge Seguro Popular for the 5K deductible.
I am trying to allow for choosing which coverage I use if I am in need of medical care. If the same hospital accepts both and the expected charges are
below 5K, then I would hope to use S.P. Does that not make sense? |
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Pescador
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Okay, I am going to write this off as different offices, but I went in today to renew my Seguor Popular in the office in Santa Rosalia and YES, there
is still a charge for the service. I asked why Loreto and Ensenada were not doing a charge and the director looked a little dumbfounded and said he
did not know but would make a few phone calls. It is not a lot of money and I seriously doubt that I will use the coverage much anyhow, but at $1143
pesos for the year, one must wonder why the discrepency.
I did get a free screening today while doing the application since it is health week here in our hospital.
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EnsenadaDr
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Why the charge??
You know what, I will go into the Maneadero office tomorrow morning and ask about it...I am curious myself...I will report back tomorrow. | Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Okay, I am going to write this off as different offices, but I went in today to renew my Seguor Popular in the office in Santa Rosalia and YES, there
is still a charge for the service. I asked why Loreto and Ensenada were not doing a charge and the director looked a little dumbfounded and said he
did not know but would make a few phone calls. It is not a lot of money and I seriously doubt that I will use the coverage much anyhow, but at $1143
pesos for the year, one must wonder why the discrepency.
I did get a free screening today while doing the application since it is health week here in our hospital. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
it is health week here in our hospital. |
What are the rest of the weeks in your hospital?? 
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EnsenadaDr
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Hi Blanca...
Hi Blanca,
By the way thank you for your very kind words off board. I take Metformina myself and I have found it to be just as good as the trade name
Glucophage....and free of charge through Seguro Popular. | Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
doctora de Ensenada... soy mexicana and I teach English aqui en la bocana a los alumnos del cecyte y de la secundaria... pura vida 
thanks both shari and doctora for giving advice
pescador - I think the policy has change quite recently and that now there is NO charge. |
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bacquito
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I need to update my fm2 card soon. I notice that it does not include a CURP number. Is this an error by Immigration?
Also I would like to enroll in Seguor Popular. I live in the south end of Ensenada and close to the hospital. Where do I enroll-Maneadero?
bacquito
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EnsenadaDr
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Enrolling in Seguro Popular
Yes, when you enter the clinic you go to the left to a casa movil (trailer) or there is a window when you walk in the door on your left. Opens at 8
am. I have heard from several people that their FM2 doesn't include a curp number. But I don't think that will stop you from getting Seguro Popular,
as long as you have an FM2. | Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
I need to update my fm2 card soon. I notice that it does not include a CURP number. Is this an error by Immigration?
Also I would like to enroll in Seguor Popular. I live in the south end of Ensenada and close to the hospital. Where do I enroll-Maneadero?
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BajaBlanca
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doctora, I notice that your mood talks about moving on and letting chapters go by.
I was watching some movie the other day and one actor said:
it isn't even that we are not on the same page, we're not even reading the same book !!
I thought that was a good line.
absolutely nothing to do with seguro popular or seguro social, sorry folks.
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Yes, when you enter the clinic you go to the left to a casa movil (trailer) or there is a window when you walk in the door on your left. Opens at 8
am. I have heard from several people that their FM2 doesn't include a curp number. But I don't think that will stop you from getting Seguro Popular,
as long as you have an FM2. | Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
I need to update my fm2 card soon. I notice that it does not include a CURP number. Is this an error by Immigration?
Also I would like to enroll in Seguor Popular. I live in the south end of Ensenada and close to the hospital. Where do I enroll-Maneadero?
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[Edited on 6-8-2012 by EnsenadaDr] |
Thank you, good article!
bacquito
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I find it hard to believe Seguro Popular is charging for anything. Are you sure you aren't talking about Seguro Social or IMSS? They charge an
annual fee. | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mula
Cuidad Constitucion Seguro Popular Administration Office did not charge 5 of us for our policies in March when we got them.
Interesting.
And we have used the services and not been charged a thing for either pills or service. |
The first two years we had Seguro Popular, we had to pay around 800 pesos the first year and around 500 the next. The last two years have been free,
although it wasn't clear why.
They do seem to have a problem stocking meds, but at these prices, I certainly have never felt entitled to complain. I figure a trip to the pharmacy
will more than likely be part of whatever treatment is required.
Good post, EnsenadaDr. |
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As I said, for the last two years, we haven't had to pay anything. HOWEVER, the two previous years--obviously, you weren't involved with the program
back then--they did most definitely charge for their coverage. But don't take my word for it, do some investigating if you must.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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EnsenadaDr
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You have a point there...
I wasn't involved in this a few years back, so I will take your word for it. | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I find it hard to believe Seguro Popular is charging for anything. Are you sure you aren't talking about Seguro Social or IMSS? They charge an
annual fee. | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mula
Cuidad Constitucion Seguro Popular Administration Office did not charge 5 of us for our policies in March when we got them.
Interesting.
And we have used the services and not been charged a thing for either pills or service. |
The first two years we had Seguro Popular, we had to pay around 800 pesos the first year and around 500 the next. The last two years have been free,
although it wasn't clear why.
They do seem to have a problem stocking meds, but at these prices, I certainly have never felt entitled to complain. I figure a trip to the pharmacy
will more than likely be part of whatever treatment is required.
Good post, EnsenadaDr. |
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As I said, for the last two years, we haven't had to pay anything. HOWEVER, the two previous years--obviously, you weren't involved with the program
back then--they did most definitely charge for their coverage. But don't take my word for it, do some investigating if you must.
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prorader
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Seguro Social (IMSS), Seguro Popular, ISSTE and ISSTECALI
OK, Seguro Popular is Mexico's Universal Health Care Program, anyone who lives in Mexico can join. If you are under 60 and own a home you may have to
pay a small annual fee. My wife is Mexican and 46, she is covered, I am 65, retired and rent I am covered. I believe there are 32 clinics in Ensenada
and 1 public hospital. Everthing starts with the clinic, most nurses do not speak english some Doctors do. The Doctor is the key he is the only one
who can refer you to the hospital and special care. The clinics that I have used had 1 Doctor and 2 Nurses. The clincs have and average supply of
medicine, NO psyco drugs. I now have had 2 operations under this program, in both cases well done and professional. Most public Hospitals in Mexico
are teaching Hospitals, plain jane, 6 person wards, but clean and professional staff. What most people do not understand is that Mexico medical
professionals give service to the public, maybe they get a pension after 20 years, but a lot of the top Doctors in Mexico work 2 days a week at the
public Hospitals. This is long will come back with the operations
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prorader
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Seguro Social (IMSS), Seguro Popular, ISSTE and ISSTECALI
OK now to my operations. The first and most serious was from an accident where I fractured 4 vertebreas in my back. The operation was done in the
public Hospital in Guadalajara. The Nuro surgeon was ranked as in the top 5 in Mexico, remember 2 days a week in a public Hospital. His approach was
that I was going to need a Titanium plate with 4 Titanium screws in my neck and in my back 3 more screws. The screw alone was $3,000.00 US the plate
was much more. Don't have that kind of money. He agreed to host a seminar and the company provided the equipment for free. It was a 2 hour operation
that took 6 hours. I spent a total of 20 days in the Hospital, which you must have a provider with you to take care of you. My wife slept on the floor
next to my bed for 20 days. Now this was free no cost but, nothing is free, I had to pay for an MRI and a Catscan. I won, a great Doctor, a good clean
and professional Hospital and the cost was about $75.00 US
The 2nd operation was in another public Hospital, Gall Bladder removal, 6 days 6 person ward, the Doctor was one of the top Internal Medicine Doctors
in Mexico, operation, 6 days in the Hospital 4 follow up visits. I didn't spend 1 peso. The moral of this story free isn't always free, the public
Hospital have the equipment, maybe this a Gringo thing but they want you to go out side of the Hospital to pay for blood, MRI, Catscans. Check out the
public Hospital in your area and find out what stuff they have don't take any BS
The most important thing is think Public Hospital, sub par care, bad Doctors, not true, the big boys play there
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Yeah, the titanium plate. I have an eleven inch job with seven screws in my arm. Two temporary stainless steel pins cost 1,300 pesos until the plate
went in. They wanted to do a bone graft in February. It was a pretty bad break.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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prorader
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We are lucky, the screws where $3,000.00 x 7 plus the plate $7,000.00 that is in Mexico. The program has it's plus and minus. I think IMSS is about
done
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weebray
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My wife and I just signed up in La Paz for Seguro Popular a week ago. I am over 65 and my wife is under 60. We paid 2074.97 pesos for 12 months of
coverage. We forgot to ask but can we go to our regular Dr. and have his prescripton filled at the SP clinic for free? If required to go to the
clinic will the Dr. prescribe the med's you are currently taking? Saludos, Bobelon
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