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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
DENNIS - the original post says they were runnig around yelling in English
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the title is PLEASE DON'T BE A JERK when you visit another country.
and in thinking it over - it is so rude to block someone's car in, even if only for a moment. just plain ole rude. so, I agree with you all on that.
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AHAA! running around yelling in english! obviously a lot of limey hooligans probably from liverpool! and
you're ready to blame americans! shame on you. |
Or Canadians?
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Nemo55
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Ayyyyyyyy!!!
I'm not even in the country yet!!! Typical; Liverpudlians get blamed for everything !!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
DENNIS - the original post says they were runnig around yelling in English
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the title is PLEASE DON'T BE A JERK when you visit another country.
and in thinking it over - it is so rude to block someone's car in, even if only for a moment. just plain ole rude. so, I agree with you all on that.
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AHAA! running around yelling in english! obviously a lot of limey hooligans probably from liverpool! and
you're ready to blame americans! shame on you. |
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805gregg
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You have to remember only Americans speak english. Maybe they were on the way to the airport, (fishing boat, hospital, etc) and were cutting it close
on time, don't judge untill you are in their shoes.
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willardguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
You have to remember only Americans speak english. Maybe they were on the way to the airport, (fishing boat, hospital, etc) and were cutting it close
on time, don't judge untill you are in their shoes. |
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David K
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Yah, really... I could have sworn English is also spoken in ...
CANADA
AUSTRALIA
NEW ZEALAND
SOUTH AFRICA
IRELAND
BELIZE
JAMAICA
BAHAMAS
Several other Caribbean nations
Oh, and the UNITED KINGDOM (incl. ENGLAND) 
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66 countries speak English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_English...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, really... I could have sworn English is also spoken in ...
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What language is the word "Yah"?
Yeah, I know, spelling cop, couldn't pass it up though.
I've been blocked in a couple of times in small busy parking lots and each time the person was close by, would see me, and run out to move his/her
car. Seems to be an acceptable thing to do in Mex. Sort of like the old double parking that used to go on in the US.
[Edited on 9-7-2012 by SFandH]
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DENNIS
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World English Dictionary
culture clash
— n
a conflict arising from the interaction of people with different cultural values
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However, I think America is the only English speaking country that doesn't speak the Kings English, ask my friend from England! Guaranteed if you
took a representative from all 66 English speaking countries and put them in a single room and asked someone who does not speak English to pick out
the American, it would be easy, we all sound a bit different.
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HEADLINE on newspaper in Belize City
"DE NEW BRIDGE OPEN"
I paid 30 cents Bz for the paper and kept the front page until it yellowed and turned brittle.
Lineup of Mexican placard cars waiting in workday rush hour...
"Give them an inch and they'll take it" 
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, really... I could have sworn English is also spoken in ...
CANADA
AUSTRALIA
NEW ZEALAND
SOUTH AFRICA
IRELAND
BELIZE
JAMAICA
BAHAMAS
Several other Caribbean nations
Oh, and the UNITED KINGDOM (incl. ENGLAND) |
I was being sarcastic,
She said frat boys indicating what? You expressed my sentiments exactly, maybe not americans. And have you ever been in a hurry and been held up by
someone doing something illegal? You just don't get it, and you never have.
[Edited on 9-8-2012 by 805gregg]
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Nahhh! They all talk funny!
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, really... I could have sworn English is also spoken in ...
CANADA
AUSTRALIA
NEW ZEALAND
SOUTH AFRICA
IRELAND
BELIZE
JAMAICA
BAHAMAS
Several other Caribbean nations
Oh, and the UNITED KINGDOM (incl. ENGLAND) |
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Mulegena
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So, there was a bus double-parked on a public road.
It was blocking a pickup.
There was a funeral procession.
Anybody else considered the connection?
The bus was pulled over to allow the funeral cars to pass.
Yes, the driver had exited the bus for a moment, but... he returned in a timely manner.
This is Baja.
Its kinda laid-back.
Things work differently down here including that folks are almost always kind to one another.
It really never pays to get one's knickers twisted. Not an effective motivator.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
There was a funeral procession.
Anybody else considered the connection?
The bus was pulled over to allow the funeral cars to pass.
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You have got to be kidding. Please....tell me you're kidding.
The bus drivers behavior was self-serving and rude. Why would you go to such extremes to excuse that?
What about the popular technique of running stop signs, or hit 'n run? Because it happens here, is it alright?
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, really... I could have sworn English is also spoken in ...
CANADA
AUSTRALIA
NEW ZEALAND
SOUTH AFRICA
IRELAND
BELIZE
JAMAICA
BAHAMAS
Several other Caribbean nations
Oh, and the UNITED KINGDOM (incl. ENGLAND) |
I can understand Spanish better than I can understand the English spoken in those countries (I have been to about half of the ones on your list)
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
The bus drivers behavior was self-serving and rude. Why would you go to such extremes to excuse that?
What about the popular technique of running stop signs, or hit 'n run? Because it happens here, is it alright? |
No, it is not alright, but I have come to accept it. At this time, I am a guest in their country. I didn't come here to change Mexican culture. I
came here to enjoy Baja culture and society. It is their country and I respect the culture they created even though I don't always agree. If that
society starts to annoy me to the point that I become unhappy, I will just pack up and move someplace else.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
There was a funeral procession.
Anybody else considered the connection?
The bus was pulled over to allow the funeral cars to pass.
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You have got to be kidding. Please....tell me you're kidding.
The bus drivers behavior was self-serving and rude. Why would you go to such extremes to excuse that?
What about the popular technique of running stop signs, or hit 'n run? Because it happens here, is it alright? |
This happened in Ensenada or another metro area?
I will concede that in a city with multiple lanes a funeral procession can occupy one lane or use side-streets.
Was considering how it goes in the smaller villages. First, no public bus. Second, such as in Mulege there's only one system of single-lane one-way
road through town. Third, people do wait alongside the road for the procession to pass. They just do, out of respect or because they're boxed in, the
town as a whole slows waaay down during a funeral, wedding, parade or political or religious procession or just because somebody wants to quickly say
something to somebody else.
A couple months ago while driving through town I accidentally got in the middle of a presidential election car-rally. Nowhere to go but onward I got
over my initial embarrasment, smiled and waved with everybody else until I got to my destination and turned off the maindrag and out of the conga
line.
Yes, not good of a bus driver to abandon his bus, but "why" remains unanswered.
Rude of anybody, tourist or local, to create an obnoxious fuss about it.
No sense getting your panties all twisted.
[Edited on 9-8-2012 by Mulegena]
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Nobody knows what the bus driver was doing or why he blocked a car. Sounds like he was working, doing business, maybe ran in to get a soda.
Whatever he was thinking, ''self serving'' and ''rude'' are gringo attitudes. I'm betting if 10 local Mexicans were asked about the bus driver's
attitude, I seriously doubt self serving and rude would come up.
It wasn't like the car was pinned for an hour.
I'd say to the kids -- a little more patience, this isn't worth getting upset about. The bus driver was wrong but not that wrong. The kids were
way out of line.
I'm not siding with the bus driver here. I think white people, generally, lack respect for Mexicans who they see as inferior and uneducated.
This is a broad stroke. Not all white people are like that. I see a lot of that attitude, though, in Baja.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
No, it is not alright, but I have come to accept it. |
It's hardly a matter of acceptance as it is one of supporting and encouraging it...as you and many others here seem to do.
I accept "what is" as well, but I don't have to agree with rudeness , bullying and the "might is right" attitude that underlies this behavior.
Nor do I have to label this deviant behavior as a "cultural trait." Ask a Mexican if these are cultural traits and see what you get in reply.
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At this time, I am a guest in their country. |
You probably are.....but I'm not. I'm legal here and nobody invited me. Guests are invited. Who invited you?
| Quote: | | I didn't come here to change Mexican culture. |
Your mere presence here changes their culture, but you're too self-rightous to see how you sit here passing judgement on the fibers in the weave of
what you perceive as "their culture." What do you know of their culture that doesn't have a price tag on it!
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[Edited on 9-8-2012 by DENNIS]
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mtgoat666
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sure seems like a lot of debate about a minor event involving a rude bus driver and a couple rude youth.
if you are interested, yesterday on I-8 i was merging onto hwy, coming up to speed, and someone speeding along to next exit ramp had to slow for me,
and he flipped me off. he looked like a latino!
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