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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
A few weeks back, standing in the Ped Line coming back
to the US at TJ, was a young guy, Mex National who was
using his new Border crossing card, took him 7 yrs. to
get. No borders, can't get behind that |
Sancho, I posted before that for seven years I tried to get a green card for our iive-in Nanny (She was with us for 14 years total, until the kids
grew up) and was unsuccessful.
I owned three businesses in San Diego, was active politically in my community and was well known in San Diego and T.J.
It was not until my wife and I were at a house party in T.J. and I had a chance to talk to the American Consul who was also there. He said all the
paperwork, all the delay,...was because 'we' (U.S.) did not want Mexican immigration at that time.We wanted asian tech people.
Well, my wife and his wife got tight together (still are friends) and two weeks later a diplomatic car pulls up at my office and I was handed (without
explanation) a green card for my Nanny's kid in Michoacan,
We had him up here in three days.
Yea, life's not fair.
EDIT: Should read our live-in Nanny's Son. She was already in.
[Edited on 3-14-2014 by Cisco]
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
and I know of more than a few illegal crossers going south (as we all do).
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I suppose those Gringos crossing illegally into Mex, without
Mex immigration approval, I suppose, are a drain to
the Republic of Mex? Spending $ in many shapes and forms,
excuse me if I misread you and you are being sarcastic
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David K
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I said "large percentage", compared to Americans legally going south, not a 'majority'. Silly Ralph, words are for reading!
Illegal crossers going south? Really... like in the desert near Ocotillo? There is a wall... and Americans going south do so in trucks and SUVs and
not with just the shirt on their backs and a bag.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
and I know of more than a few illegal crossers going south (as we all do).
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I suppose those Gringos crossing illegally into Mex, without
Mex immigration approval, I suppose, are a drain to
the Republic of Mex? Spending $ in many shapes and forms,
excuse me if I misread you and you are being sarcastic |
I think we all know that nobody crosses south illegally... CROSSING.
What can happen and its by design for lack of working systems, is that Americans stay in Mexico near the border more than 3 days without tourist cards
or they drive south of the border zone without tourist cards... but that isn't crossing illegally.
No signs, no immigration checkpoint at Maneadero or San Felipe, nothing to let Americans know or to sell them new tourist cards.
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Bajahowodd
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I understand additionally, that a substantial fee is required when filing an application for a visa to enter the US. That fee is not refundable if
they deny your request.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
..........No signs, no immigration checkpoint at Maneadero or San Felipe, nothing to let Americans know or to sell them new tourist cards........
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David..........I don't think it's up to Mexico to post signs. If you visit a foreign country, it is up to you as the visitor to know the
rules........do some research before you go
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willardguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
I'm for humans being able to traverse borders, and the sharing of cultures. I think the bashing stuff you see on tv and hear on radio is meant to
sell advertising. |
That's a total BS statement Jon and I'm surprised to hear it from you.
There are too many documented incidents of abuse for you to have a closed mind on this subject.
BP agents not charged because the people they killed died in another country, one, unarmed, with six shots IN THE BACK are just two examples. I could
give you two hundred and you know it.
"The addiction to the pleasure and excitement of power and authority is far more heinous to all humans than any drug. Those who exercise their
inimical addiction to power and authority are committing acts of destruction on the entire nation.
Cops are addicted to the (find) they have tunnel vision and get a heavy dopamine and adrenalin rush when they find something in your car or on you.
Like money, drugs or what ever. They are very, very sick people with a need for control and to dominate over any satiation they force themselves
into." |
yup. looks we got us another dirty one. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/dead-border-agent-k...
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
I don't think it's up to Mexico to post signs. If you visit a foreign country, it is up to you as the visitor to know the rules
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Yes it is, it s the responsibility of the Tourist to know and
obey the Laws/Regs beforehand. It can be cumbersome, vague, and misinformation abounds. At times it can be ALMOST impossible to comply. Howerver that
does not
change the fact is is the Visitors obligation to comply.
Fmm's, Fishing License, etc
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
..........No signs, no immigration checkpoint at Maneadero or San Felipe, nothing to let Americans know or to sell them new tourist cards........
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David..........I don't think it's up to Mexico to post signs. If you visit a foreign country, it is up to you as the visitor to know the
rules........do some research before you go |
There used to be... 1960s, 70's and 80's... Very informative for non-Mexicans to stop at the migra station in Maneadero.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
..........No signs, no immigration checkpoint at Maneadero or San Felipe, nothing to let Americans know or to sell them new tourist cards........
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David..........I don't think it's up to Mexico to post signs. If you visit a foreign country, it is up to you as the visitor to know the
rules........do some research before you go |
There used to be... 1960s, 70's and 80's... Very informative for non-Mexicans to stop at the migra station in Maneadero. |
This is 2014, the age of the internet. People can do their research on-line and get all the information they need.
Doing that now for trips to Ireland and Italy.
If someone gets dinged in Mexico for not having the proper INM documents it's their own fault, not Mexico's.
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David K
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Not saying it is a fault... I am saying it takes away excuses... and gives Mexico more taxed money!
Another plus to having a station at the southern end of the 'Border Zone' is folks who are in Ensenada for the weekend and decide to visit Santo Tomás
one afternoon... Will they drive 140 miles round trip to the border to get the FMM? Nope... (say the Ensenada office is closed when they decide, it is
closed more than it is open and really there for boaters, anyway)... Mexico loses bucks.
It is 2014, so you have to ask why there is less service than 25-50 years ago.. and the FMM was FREE back then, too!
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shari
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I am always amazed how many visitors to Mexico DONT have their visas to be here and so are illegal in the country.
It is prohibitively expensive to get a tourist visa for a Mexican...you must pay $100 US dollars just to book the interview appointment which you need
to do months in advance...and there is only a very very small percentage that actually are granted a visa. The president of a fishing cooperativa
couldn't even get one!!!!
You really need a great reason for visiting the states, like taking a course or having a spouse that is american and a destination contact, letters of
support, full time job as well as a ton of paperwork too...forget about just going to visit as a tourist. This is why there are so many illegal
crossings.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I am always amazed how many visitors to Mexico DONT have their visas to be here and so are illegal in the country.
It is prohibitively expensive to get a tourist visa for a Mexican...you must pay $100 US dollars just to book the interview appointment which you need
to do months in advance...and there is only a very very small percentage that actually are granted a visa. The president of a fishing cooperativa
couldn't even get one!!!!
You really need a great reason for visiting the states, like taking a course or having a spouse that is american and a destination contact, letters of
support, full time job as well as a ton of paperwork too...forget about just going to visit as a tourist. This is why there are so many illegal
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And as I mentioned, the fee is NOT refundable.
That said, there have been a few think tank studies that basically state that if the US were to have some form of amnesty, it would be a boost to the
economy. That's because it would allow the government to obtain much more tax revenues for work that has thus far been done under the table.
Mexican citizens, legal or not, have been a large piece of the US economy for many decades. In fact, one of the prime beneficiaries of their presence
has been the corporate farmers.
There is a new movie that just premiered at the South By Southwest festival in Texas dealing with Cesar Chavez. It's worth a look.
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bajaguy
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Excuses are like noses, everybody has one, and it is amazing how many people WHO KNOW (like some Nomads who advertise the fact) the rules, ignore
them.
The Ensenada INM office may serve boaters, but it is not "really there for them anyway"....it is there to serve the population of the
Municipality...it is apparent that you don't spend enough time in the Ensenada INM office to see what their business really is. I have been in there
about 12 times for FM-3/FM-2 renewals and issuance of the RP card..........didn't see any boaters..........
I'm just saying know before you go and follow the rules.
Yup, 2014 and not much is free anymore anywhere
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Not saying it is a fault... I am saying it takes away excuses... and gives Mexico more taxed money!
Another plus to having a station at the southern end of the 'Border Zone' is folks who are in Ensenada for the weekend and decide to visit Santo Tomás
one afternoon... Will they drive 140 miles round trip to the border to get the FMM? Nope... (say the Ensenada office is closed when they decide, it is
closed more than it is open and really there for boaters, anyway)... Mexico loses bucks.
It is 2014, so you have to ask why there is less service than 25-50 years ago.. and the FMM was FREE back then, too! |
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David K
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Why is it on the wharf at the harbor if not designed to serve boaters???
No problem Baja Guy, I am all for making it easier for the people of Mexico to be rewarded by a happy tourist or traveler looking for fun and
adventure.
Make it hard to have the proper papers, then the people of Mexico lose the benefit of travels... It really could be easy to do, and not scold tourists
for not researching the details and stopping at the border... Happiness, not punishment should be what people who go to Baja experience! Happy people
spend more money than people who are fined or extorted or blamed.
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bajaguy
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The Ensenada INM office is NOT "on the wharf at the harbor", and I rest my case.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why is it on the wharf at the harbor if not designed to serve boaters???
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I'd like to see a virtual immigration office! one you could visit from the comfort of your own baja man cave. you could photoshop a picture of
yourself in front of the office, one shaking hands with a virtual agent, maybe one of the virtual taco you're about to eat. you could fill out a
virtual FMM, print it and put it on the wall with the rest of your memorabilia, never having to ACTUALLY cross the border!
perfect for the quasi aficionado!
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rts551
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Not very hard to get the proper paper work to go to Baja last time I checked.
It probably aught to be little harder to keep some of the rif raf out.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
I'd like to see a virtual immigration office! one you could visit from the comfort of your own baja man cave. you could photoshop a picture of
yourself in front of the office, one shaking hands with a virtual agent, maybe one of the virtual taco you're about to eat. you could fill out a
virtual FMM, print it and put it on the wall with the rest of your memorabilia, never having to ACTUALLY cross the border!
perfect for the quasi aficionado! |
You mean as easy as it is to buy Mexican Auto Insurance on BajaBound.com ? 
Since a passport is now required by Mexico to get an FMM, that may be an issue the Internet won't help!
Bajaguy, if they moved it from the harbor, and you want Nomads to use it, maybe it would be great if you shared that wisdom?
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bajaguy
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Nomads shouldn't need to know where it is....they need to get their FMM at the border. The local ex-pat community knows where it is, and has been for
9 years. But for a public service, it is on Blvd Teniente Azueta.
Sharing my "wisdom"......The INM office directions:
At the first stoplight as you come into Ensenada Centro on HWY 1, before the fish taco stands on your right, make a right turn at the light (Teniente
Azueta).....go about a half block, INM is on your right next to the Port Captain's office and CONAPESCA - where you get a fishing license
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Bajaguy, if they moved it from the harbor, and you want Nomads to use it, maybe it would be great if you shared that wisdom? |
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