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BajaVida
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gotta love those pochos
http://www.pocho.com
[Edited on 12-30-2004 by BajaVida]
[Edited on 12-30-2004 by BajaVida]
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JESSE
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I personally don't care much about anything Chicano or Pocho or whatever they call themselves, i am sorry to say i have only had bad experiences with
most of them.
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So, Jesse, why don't you go by "Chucho" or "Chuy"? "Jesse" is a Chicano nickname, an adaptation for blending into anglo society and avoiding the
ridicule of anglo pendejos who think there's something funny about anyone being named "Jesus".
?P-nche hip?crita prejuicioso!  :moon:
[Edited on 12-31-2004 by Oso]
[Edited on 12-31-2004 by Oso]
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(bab)Oso - Es prejuicioso decir que alguien es prejuicioso wey.
Sr. LowLife (Don't take offense man -I've always gotten a kick out of your nick) I've tried but I just don't see much originality in the pocho.com
thing - it must be me - I think I'll pop another Sierra Nevada Ale and listen to some of the other Lalo.
Happy Holidays muchachos.
Y Viva la Raza.
[Edited on 12-31-2004 by Braulio]
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Oso
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Sorry, "Talking P____", damned English spelling has a way of sticking in the brain. Pocho.com started out MUCH better than what's left of it today.
I enjoyed it but they did rip me off for a magazine subscription that produced ONE issue and died.
BTW, PM me a stateside snailmail address. Got a regalito for you.
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Done dude - have a good New Year's.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
So, Jesse, why don't you go by "Chucho" or "Chuy"? "Jesse" is a Chicano nickname, an adaptation for blending into anglo society and avoiding the
ridicule of anglo pendejos who think there's something funny about anyone being named "Jesus".
?P-nche hipocrita prejuicioso! :moon:
[Edited on 12-31-2004 by Oso] |
Actually you are very wrong, my family and friends call me Jesus or another nickname, i simply found out a long time ago while in Canada, that its
somewhat awkard for english speaking people to call me Jesus, unfortunatelly my middle name i also very difficult to pronounce in spanish, so i go by
Jesse in english speaking forums and with many english speaking people simply for simplicity.
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Oso
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So you adapted to the acculturization process within the society in which you found yourself at the time? Exactly the same thing the people you are
dissing have had to do to survive here.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
So you adapted to the acculturization process within the society in which you found yourself at the time? Exactly the same thing the people you are
dissing have had to do to survive here. |
Oso you are way wrong, i don't care if they adapt or not, thats not my problem, i don't blame them for dressing or talking the way they do, thats
fine, they are there and have adapted to their new reality, my beef with them is that in my many years working in the food and beverage industry here
in Tijuana, Cabo, and Canada, its simply well known that Mexican american "tourists" are the worse customers out there. I am not alone on my views,
just ask the Rosarito police who trashes and creates most of the problems during the summer? ask any waiter in Baja who are the worse customers?
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Dave
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Wow, Chicanos AND Canadians? In the same restaurant? That's got to be a waiters nightmare.
Actually, I would trade a single Japanese tourist or a table of "budget" local gringos for a restaurant full of Chicanos. They've never given me ANY
problems.
Oso, I'm wit you....Love Preddy (guitar) Pender and Tejano....Que Ritmo!
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BajaVida
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guess we got way off Lalo
I think he turned 88 on Christmas Day
most people are good, so long as you don't have to say "P-nche" before you describe them
seems to be a lot of stereotyping on this thread
we have all met people from all cultures who are wonderful and others from the same cultures who we would refer to as "P-nche"
many of us have been stereotyped in our lives and there ain't nuttin' funny about it
I agree with Oso, pocho.com ain't what it used to be
[Edited on 12-31-2004 by BajaVida]
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When I lived on Cozumel, the locals hated the "turistas nacionales",i.e.; Chilangos and other mainland Mexicans, whom they considered cheap, demanding
and argumentative. They found Americans to be the best tippers (Japanese tourists were rare back then), Europeans less so and "fellow" Mexicans to be
the worst. The French in particular they found to be obnoxious, rude, and worse; unwashed. Their B.O. was very offensive to Mayan people, who
typically bathe twice a day.
Prejudice is a natural human reaction. Our experiences, especially the first ones, with members of any previously unfamiliar group will color our
impression of the group as a whole. But, just because it's natural doesn't mean it's right. To walk in harmony with the world around us, we need to
conquer our prejudices. We have to work at it, actively seek out the good in others. I know I do. I grew up in a segregated society.
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BajaVida
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interesting book about Lalo
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/books/bid1410.htm
has anyone read it?
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burritomama
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Any fans of El Vez, the Mexican Elvis? He lives and plays around LA.
He's got a numbers of CDs out - one of them has my own theme song: Soy un Pocho.
Ya, pocho.com was way better back in the day -- like many things.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
| Quote: | | Originally posted by burritomama...Location: aztlan... |
I like your sense of humor. |
Aztlan -- a state of mind.
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BajaVida
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http://www.elvez.net/
and don't forget Dr. Loco's Rockin' Jalape?o Band
but my favorite is Los Lobos (but I like their acoustic music better than electric)
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burritomama
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ah yes, the boys from East Los. They rule, as we used to say. I haven't seen them (or anyone else for that matter since I became a mama -- except a
John Prine concert (excelente!)when the in-laws were willing) for so long but boy are they something live.
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Lalo - RIP
From today's LA Times:
OBITUARIES
Lalo Guerrero, 88; Pioneering Barrio Singer
By Agustin Gurza, Times Staff Writer
Lalo Guerrero, the pioneering barrio troubadour whose bilingual repertoire spanned a vast variety of Mexican and American genres over seven decades
and earned him worldwide accolades as the Father of Chicano Music, died Thursday. He was 88.
Guerrero, who was suffering from prostate cancer, increasing frailty and memory loss, died at a nursing home in Palm Springs, near his longtime
residence. The exact cause of death was not immediately known, relatives said.
The son of blue-collar Mexican immigrants, Guerrero was a self-styled folk musician who made up for his lack of formal training with a witty knack for
capturing the everyday joys, sorrows and absurdities of Mexican American life, largely ignored by mainstream pop music. His songs were so emblematic
of the bicultural experience during World War II that they were prominently featured in 1977's "Zoot Suit," the groundbreaking stage and film musical
that dramatized, to Guerrero's swing-time beat, the persecution and survival spirit of the so-called pachucos.
"The play would not have been possible without his music," said writer and director Luis Valdez, Guerrero's nephew. "So many focus on the negative
side, but what Lalo captured was the joy of the pachuco experience, the playful vacilon [good times], which no one else had done. That was something
that was always unfailing with his work ? his great sense of humor and love for life."
Eduardo "Lalo" Guerrero Jr. was born on Christmas Eve 1916 in the Barrio Viejo of Tucson, one of 24 siblings, only eight of whom survived to
adulthood. His father worked on the railroads, and his mother taught him to sing and play guitar.
As a teenager, he wrote "Cancion Mexicana," the first of hundreds of songs recorded on various labels since the 1930s. His trademark was his
versatility. He was able to compose and sing in an array of styles, including traditional boleros and corridos, as well as upbeat mambos and
boogie-woogies. He also wrote protest songs, such as "Battle Hymn of the Chicano" (1989), and comic parodies, such as "Mexican Mamas, Don't Let Your
Babies Grow Up to Be Bus Boys" (1990) and "No Chicanos on TV" (1986).
Perhaps his best-known composition is the 1955 hit "Pancho Lopez," a parody of "Davy Crockett." The singer used his royalties to open an East Los
Angeles nightclub, Lalo's, which became a popular venue for the best bands from Latin America for the next 15 years.
Like many other Chicanos, Guerrero felt caught between cultural identities. When he tried to perform in Mexico, he was rejected as a pocho, a
disparaging term for an Americanized Mexican. But when he tried to cross over as Eddie Lopez in the U.S., he didn't get much further, despite his love
for artists such as Al Jolson and Rudy Vallee.
"He used to say that nobody was going to hire a 6-foot tall, Indian-looking Mexican to sing with Tommy Dorsey," recalls his son, entertainment
producer Dan Guerrero. "So he did the next best thing and took swing to Spanish."
Guerrero turned the Chicano cultural conflict into a creative affirmation, embracing both identities through original music that mixed languages and
styles. He converted the English-language concept of singing chipmunks, a 1950s novelty act, into his own popular series of children's recordings
under the name "Las Ardillitas de Lalo Guerrero," or "Lalo's Little Squirrels."
In 1995, Los Lobos, the Chicano rock group that East L.A. spawned, invited Guerrero to join them on their bilingual children's album, "Papa's Dream,"
which earned a Grammy nomination.
Guerrero kept working, and receiving prestigious honors, almost to the end. In 1997, he became the first Chicano to receive the National Medal of
Arts, awarded by President Clinton. And in 1998, Guerrero performed for the first time in Europe, at Paris' Cite de la Musique.
Despite the international kudos, Guerrero's heart remained in the barrio. He was in his 70s when he wrote "Barrio Viejo," a song lamenting the
displacement of residents from his beloved Tucson neighborhood to make way for a convention center. His expression of loss and powerlessness in the
face of societal forces proved such a universal barrio theme that musician Ry Cooder picked it for an upcoming album about the history of Chavez
Ravine, the Los Angeles neighborhood torn down to build Dodger Stadium.
A television documentary about the late singer is being co-produced by his son Dan and filmmaker Nancy De Los Santos. Based on extensive interviews
recorded six years ago, the project is titled "Lalo Guerrero: The Original Chicano."
"Lalo lived his life the way he wanted to live it ? through music," said De Los Santos. "And at the same time, he was able to bring our story, the
story of Mexican Americans, to life."
Though exact dates have not been set, funeral plans include a memorial Mass in Palm Springs next week, followed by a Mass and burial in Tucson. The
family announced plans to organize a future memorial concert in Los Angeles to celebrate Guerrero's life and achievements.
The musician is survived by his two sons, Dan and Mark, from his first marriage to Margaret Marmion of Tucson. He is also survived by his wife, Lidia
Guerrero, and her two children, whom he adopted, Patricia Lowey and Jose Guerrero; his sisters Teresa Mallic, Mona Wood and Connie Abbot, all of
Tucson; his brothers, Gene Guerrero of Moreno Valley and Ruben Guerrero of Phoenix; as well as by his granddaughter, Maya Guerrero.
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BajaVida
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What terrible news
I am devistated
Guess I will need to listen to the 5 Lalo CDs I have tonight.
What a man, wonderful music.
Chicano music would never have existed without him. He opened the door to many Latino musicians.
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BajaVida
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I hereby proclaim Saturday, April 9 Lalo Guerrero day
that is out first full day in BOLA and I will play non-stop Lalo music that day
if you will be in BOLA that day, please send me a U2U to let us know if you would like to visit that day
we will be north of La Gringa
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