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DaliDali
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Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  | Dali, no offense meant; your questions for BC are a little over-the-top; he's a station owner. It's like asking a grocer what pesticides were
specifically used on his tomatoes and the exact watering schedule, and how they were shipped from field to warehouse.
Suffice it to say it's tax moneys for certain, and it's in Mexico. California's 'standards' have nothing to do with it. Yes, someone IS flush with
tax pesos, or not. Guess you'll just have to pay it.... or not. As Pescador says, the locals are the ones hurting the most. They put in what they
can, when they can, and walk.... a lot.
Timo:
Diesel in the western US (according to gasbuddy.com) is running a little over a buck a gallon compared to regular; highway stations in AZ about
$2.30/gal at present, 20-50 cents flux depending on location. Some diesel as high as $3.79 - $4. |
No offense taken BajaBudda.
However, as a owner of a business, I would think that they would want to know where their supplies come from and how they get to his place of
business. Be it tomatoes or condoms.
Granted, that business owner might not want to know the exact chemical makeup of the product he/she is buying......and especially when that business
owner is limited to one supplier and it's a "take it as it is" situation or go without. Which in this case, is exactly what Baja Cactus is dealing
with.
Those transport costs are built into his/her price they pay for that product and I would want to know the in's and out's as much as possible about
that. If Baja Cactus cares or not, is none of my concern.
What I would like to know, out of curiosity's sake, is how that refined fuel gets to Baja Norte.
Bus, tanker trucks, pipeline or tanker ships?
I can agree "pay it or not". It is that simple, but curious none the less, how Pemex can justify (something to do with because they can I am sure) a
70% sales tax rate on each and every liter sold.
I and many others, live here year round and maintain homes here and go fishing here. We have no option to choose between an Arco station or a Chevron
station like you do up there in New Mexico.
Infrequent tourists or part time residents in or to Baja, do not have the impact of these prices as much as full timers do.
A "now and again" trip to Baja is much less impactful, as far as fuel costs go, than what a full time resident has to deal with..day in and day out.
And with no end in sight on the monthly increases, it does make it a cause of concern.....with or without a fat wallet/bank account.
The California comparison was only for amusement purposes only.....CA, known for ultra high everything, has LESS taxes on fuel than Mexico, if the 70%
tax rate is correct..... I am still trying to get my head around that.
Bottom line is I and others who live here full time have zero choices, pay the price or ride a bicycle, whereas you have choices.
When it comes to living costs, be it fuel or tomatoes, it makes zero difference if one is a native born citizen or an immigrant.
Costs are costs, and as such, should be monitored as best as one cares to monitor them.
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Pescador
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I am sure that Antonio will chime in and I can burroure you that he knows very well how the fuel reaches them. I do know that there is a large
receiver tank in Ensenada, but I have no first hand knowledge of how it is distributed.
In Baja California Sur, I happen to have met one of the distributors in our area and this is a really big business. But again, it is tightly
controlled and monitored by the government. They used to pay a portion of the cost, but the new Pena-Neto administration is cutting subsidies all
over the place so that they can put more money in the coffers of the govt. There is talk that they are going to cut the subsidy to Electric bills
also after the first of the year, but I do not know that as a fact, only hearing rumors, which have an uncanny way of growing down here.
When I used to buy diesel for a large boat I was part owners on, we paid exactly the same price from the tanker as the gas station charged. So that
was a good indication of strong controls where they could have ripped off the buyer for extra dollars.
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Whale-ista
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Could be- not sure how these funds are allocated/managed at the federal level, since FMM's are issued at all ports of entry, not just into Baja.
Also, some MX fees/taxes are directly related to the activity: when you pay to use toll roads, driver/passengers receive insurance coverage for
damages to vehicle that happen while driving along that stretch of highway (if the damage is caused by road conditions).
| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone | Just my dos centavos, re: "Baja highway improvements are funded via taxes on gas"
It is my understanding that the cost you pay when you get a tourist visa is supposed to be for highway improvements (probably among other things as
well). |
[Edited on 12-6-2014 by Whale-ista]
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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bajagrouper
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus | Dalidali,
The answer to your question is very complex and I am not sure even I fully understand it since it depend in the global market fluctuations. However
the two main reasons why fuel in Mexico keeps increasing are:
1.- Even though Mexico has its own crude oil, Pemex does not have the capacity to refine it into usable fuel, therefore it has to pay other countries
like the US and Japan to refine it for them, therefore making it much more expensive to produce fuel than if it had its own refineries in Mexico.
2.- The second reason, which I believe is the main one, is that over 70% of the final price to the public of fuel are taxes, not the real cost of
producing it. Therefore what we are really seeing increase month by month are really taxes that go directly to the federal government.
There are many other factors, but I believe these are the main ones that impact the cost of fuel in Mexico.
BajaCactus |
!. When I drive through out Mexico and pass or see huge refineries in the states of Veracruz, Tabasco and Chaipas I can only guess they are producing
gas...
2. Ever heard of graft and corruption? I bet thats where the raise goes every month, those 9 centavo raises add up.......
I hear the whales song
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David K
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$2.75 today at Costco San Marcos.
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chuckie
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I thought graft and corruption only existed in the USA? they have it in Mexico? I am appalled....Bought farm diesel this morning at my Kansas Co-op
3.17/gallon....Killed 2 pheasants/ 2 prairie chickens, nice day.....
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rts551
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Fuel in China is $1.28 per litre.
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chuckie
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No chit?
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willardguy
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is philip rivers going to dismantle tom brady's patriots?
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Ateo
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No. He's 0-5 against Brady.
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rts551
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Is he running on ethanol?
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willardguy
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that just means he's due!
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Ateo
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Was at the main (unnamed) gasoline terminal in LA last month. A technician mentioned they were currently supplying Arco, Shell, USA, Costco, and even
Chevron - temporarily while one of their terminals was down. Just a random post that I thought was interesting.
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David K
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What does that mean Jon? The same gas goes to all those different distributors? Thanks.
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Ateo
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Yes. Same gas goes to all - each with their own special additive - depending on the brand.
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bajabuddha
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NEENER.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Bob H
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You need gas wherever you need it. You pay. Period! In Europe is like $8 a gallon!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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David K
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Jon, one more question... I understand brands like Chevron may add Techron and Shell adds Nitrogen or ?, etc., but is the ethanol % the same for them
all or does places like ARCO and COSTCO have more ethanol than Chevron or Shell IF they come from the same terminal?
Thank you!
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durrelllrobert
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still cheaper than Canada
| Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus | New fuel prices starting on December 6th, 2014...
Magna.............$ 13.31 pesos per liter
Premium..........$ 14.11 pesos per liter
Diesel..............$ 13.94 pesos per liter
These prices are in liters... since 1 gallon = 3.7854 liters and today (December 5th, 2014) 1 dollar = $13.00 pesos (+/-), we can calculate the
approximate price per gallon:
Magna.............$ 3.875 dollars per gallon
Premium..........$ 4.108 dollars per gallon
Diesel..............$ 4.059 dollars per gallon
BajaCactus |
Current price in Vancouver = $1.14/ liter = $4.32/gal and $1.18/ liter in Montreal = $4.47/gal
[Edited on 12-8-2014 by durrelllrobert]
[Edited on 12-8-2014 by durrelllrobert]
Bob Durrell
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rts551
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Thanks Baja Cactus for the Baja fuel prices. Keep em coming.
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