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bajaguy
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Quote: Originally posted by KaceyJ  | "South of San Felipe, at several hundred feet above sea level and 5 miles from the gulf coast on can see the exact same type of oyster fossils. "
That's incredible , how could that be? 
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Hiking boots???
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David K
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Hi Kacey,
Some people think the sea levels are rising today, and it's man's fault!
Well, they were once much higher and that was long before man was around!
Things go in cycles, it's natural and there's nothing little ol' man can do to change it. We are talking millions of years or history.
The sea levels were so low many thousands of years ago, man walked from Siberia to Alaska, and they have rising much since... not from automobiles,
factories, or politicians either. My memory living on the beach and camping in Baja goes back 50+ years now, and the sea levels are the same or
unnoticeable for that 'short' period. No panic needed.
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güéribo
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Interesting thread! Thanks.
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David K
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Posted by 'DezertMagazine' on Facebook:
Lost Ship of the Mojave TONIGHT!!!!
Please feel free to share with your family, friends and like minded people!
Don't forget to catch this show on Friday Jan 2nd on the American Heroes Channel ( Direct TV 287 Dish 195 ) at 7 or 10PM.
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David K
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Cool... from DezertMag's Facebook page:
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bajamedic
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I have my DVR set to record this as I seem to re-watch my Baja related stories such as Rip to the Tip, The Trail of Missions, etc. JH
[Edited on 1-2-2015 by bajamedic]
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Glad you like to see them... I hope the advertisers continue to support these TV shows, and if they know people are watching, then great.
I am looking forward to Trail of Missions 2015!
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John M
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Gulliver - the steamer Uncle Sam - some stuff
Douglas Martin, on pages 170 - 175 of Yuma Crossing says that the Uncle Sam (one of only two side-wheel steamships on the Colorado) was put into
service by December 3, 1852. It didn't last long for by January 1854 it had been replaced by the General Jessup and just a few months later the Uncle
Sam "sank at her moorings...and stayed there." Martin doesn't provide any more details as to the location which was obviously along the Colorado.
However, Richard Lingenfelter in the well-respected Steamboats on the Colorado River 1852-1916 was more specific. On page 11 Lingenfelter writes
"...the Uncle Sam had been tied up at the old ferry crossing six miles below the fort [Fort Yuma] to be overhauled and made ready for the new
machinery. There, shortly before [Captain James] Turnbull's return, someone forgot to put a bilge plug in tight and she filled with water and sank.
Several men from the fort went down to help raise her. They worked tirelessly for two days before she broke her moorings and disappeared in the swift
muddy current. The first steamboat on the Colorado thus went to an early grave." Lingenfelter puts May 1853 as when it sank.
edit: June 22, 1853 is the date of the sinking of the Uncle Sam as written in "Fort Yuma on the Colorado River" by Col. H.B. Warfield, USAF ret. (pg
75)
John M
[Edited on 1-3-2015 by John M]
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Gulliver
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I'll find that reference n the Spring when I go back North.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by John M | Douglas Martin, on pages 170 - 175 of Yuma Crossing says that the Uncle Sam (one of only two side-wheel steamships on the Colorado) was put into
service by December 3, 1852. It didn't last long for by January 1854 it had been replaced by the General Jessup and just a few months later the Uncle
Sam "sank at her moorings...and stayed there." Martin doesn't provide any more details as to the location which was obviously along the Colorado.
However, Richard Lingenfelter in the well-respected Steamboats on the Colorado River 1852-1916 was more specific. On page 11 Lingenfelter writes
"...the Uncle Sam had been tied up at the old ferry crossing six miles below the fort [Fort Yuma] to be overhauled and made ready for the new
machinery. There, shortly before [Captain James] Turnbull's return, someone forgot to put a bilge plug in tight and she filled with water and sank.
Several men from the fort went down to help raise her. They worked tirelessly for two days before she broke her moorings and disappeared in the swift
muddy current. The first steamboat on the Colorado thus went to an early grave." Lingenfelter puts May 1853 as when it sank.
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Here is something I posted in April 2013 that is related...
From Wikipedia...
Port Isabel was a seaport established in 1865 during the American Civil War in Sonora, Mexico near the mouth of the Colorado River on the Sea of
Cortez to support the increased river traffic caused by the gold rush that began in 1862 on the Colorado River and the Yuma Quartermaster Depot newly
established in 1864 to support the Army posts in the Arizona Military District.
Port Isabel replaced Robinson's Landing as the place where cargo was unloaded in the river from seagoing craft on to flatbottomed steamboats and
carried up to Fort Yuma and points further north on the river.[1]
Port Isabel, was situated on the east bank of the Colorado River on its channel east of Montague Island about 21⁄2 miles from its mouth, at the
first good landing place, the shores below being of very soft mud. Port Isabel, served as a location for repairing the river steamers and barges.
Additionally about 2 miles above Port Isabel was a site called Ship Yard, which had a few frame buildings where steamboats could be constructed or
repaired.[2]
The arrival of the Southern Pacific Railroad in Yuma in 1877 signaled the end of Port Isabel. Trade by sea was replaced with cargo carried by rail. In
1878, George Alonzo Johnson sold his Colorado Steam Navigation Company to the Southern Pacific Railroad. Yuma then became the head of navigation for
steamboats operating on the river. Port Isabel was abandoned in 1879.
Here is a 1919 map, with a Pta Isabel shown, lower right by the mouth of the Colorado, Sonora side:
On a 1930 map, the name is cut off, lower right side (Port Isabel & Ship Yards):
More stuff and a satellite map where Nomad PCmaps thinks he found Port Isabel: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=35278
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John M
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Fios customer
We found the show to be shown tonight, the 2nd, at 7:00 p.m. on channel 125 - at least here in the high desert.
John M
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reminded me of a story about a nomad that was SURE he had found a "lost mission" 
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John M
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Watched it, nice way to present a fable
The story told in this television episode sorta follows a story written by Fred Holladay in the 1988 pamphlet Heritage Tales published by the City of
San Bernardino Historical and Pioneer Society. Holladay's story is quite similar to the TV show we just watched except Holladay tells of an additional
trek by Charlie Clusker.
I can't say much more about the details in this little pamphlet except to say we are heading for the desert to do a search of our own. We'll be back
when the water runs out - ship or no ship.
Thanks David K for the heads up on this show.
John M
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David K
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Have fun John...
Myths and legends are the inspiration that often gets people out of their comfort zone and has them visiting the desert or Baja. Choral Pepper (Desert
Magazine) felt strongly about how much the desert had to offer and believed in the telling of these old stories to get people out of the city and
enjoy/ appreciate the desert.
Baja has plenty of myths and legends, too. Lost missions, lost graves, pearls, gold and silver are all there.
In 2009, we Nomads found one of Pepper's mystery sites she thought could be the lost and forgotten mission 'Santa Maria Magdalena', discovered in
1966... http://vivabaja.com/109
In 2011, a group of us Nomads went looking for the legendary lost mission of Santa Isabel: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=52696
Books have wrongly stated that some missions have been destroyed by road builders or other calamities. In one of these cases, I discovered the mission
site was not built over by a road, but only planted over in a field, Santo Tomas mission site #2: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=40505
The next legend mystery we want to find is the lost grave of Melchior Diaz, the first Spaniard to walk into California, 1540-41. I have posted a few
times about it and I have the original letter sent to Choral Pepper in 1967 from the 1930's rock pile discoverer, Walter Henderson that started the
excitement. It was buried in the boxes of Desert Magazine papers and photos given to me following Choral's death in 2002.
Here is one thread on the Diaz Grave: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26703
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David . . . on your trip to find the lost Santa Isabel mission, you should have taken this book along! It states quite clearly where it is. 
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David K
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Ha ha... I have that book... and we were close... north of El Marmol, just as the book said! lol
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