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captkw
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these new 2 strokes
I don't now of ANY other make that offers a 7 yr warrenty ?? So tell ya what mister "wrong" before ya start shooting your mouth off (as always) do
some research into the matter that you seem to know nothing about !! I have gone out of my way to ask every ETEC rigged boat the owner (I see) how
they like the motor and NOT ONE complaint.. matter fact each guy stated he LOVED the motor and some said they were repowering their other boat (s)
with the new two stroke..I repair,Service and do diagnostics on all outboards and would never,ever hang a four stoke on my own boats......K&T
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post a picture of your business card...pretty easy
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TWO Strokes
No BOB I'm not a outboard dealer..I do sell parts...Ive been lucky in life but one of the many things I need to ck off my bucket list is making a 1/3
rd stroke motor outboard..that will be a Real screamer of a outboard...any clue what that might be Bob ????
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I have seen 4 ETECS that tried to run in our high salinity in the Sea of Cortez and they all went down. One of the stupid things that Evinrude does
with those motors is to run water through the computer to keep it cool. Well, with our salinity, they plug really easy and a simple wash does not
take care of it, so when they go, they take some other parts with them. So, Cappy, as usual, you are real long on opinion and very short on facts,
but that always seems the way when someone comes across as being the end all expert. Too bad I did not know you were so enamored with them as you
would have been the only person I could find who would have paid over two cents for any of those four motors.
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I think it's true that compared to 4 strokes, 2 strokes are generally lighter, simpler, less efficient, noisier, dirtier, and cheaper (used models).
I was on a friends boat recently that has a new 150 hp or so 4 stroke. Unknown to me, he started the motor and it was idling. I thought it was the
bilge pump running, it was so quiet and smooth. When my 2-stroke goes, I'll be going 4=stroke for sure.
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Quote: Originally posted by captkw  | | No BOB I'm not a outboard dealer..I do sell parts...Ive been lucky in life but one of the many things I need to ck off my bucket list is making a 1/3
rd stroke motor outboard..that will be a Real screamer of a outboard...any clue what that might be Bob ???? |
again...if you're in the boat repair business...just post your business card here...then we will accept your advice...otherwise you're just a "typer"
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This is getting stupid !! To pescador: Yes the ECM is water cooled and like ALL outboards should be flushed with "salt away" I have not heard of any
issues with plugging..That said..my fellow mex fishing buddys do not take care of their motors in any shape,form or give them a second thought till
they break....that's just the way it is in mexico/Baja....To SF&H the new strokes are CLEAN and efficient and are very quiet.....SO I guess I will
just shut up and let all you none pro's in my biz think what your brain is stuck on,, carry on..four strokes SUCK for boat motors and that is the
simple reason two strokes have been used forever..a "homelite" 4 stroke tried to get a market share for a while and are a so/so motor for light duty
......myself am getting bored/tired of fools that have very little time with outboard repair/use/wisdom to even try and debate with me...GET A GRIP..
you are only the end user and your thoughts are not from doing this work 8 days a week...and have a shot of the BIG overall picture.....and to all the
guys that U2U for help..please keep doing so,,as I like to help my fellow boaters !!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by captkw | | This is getting stupid !! To pescador: Yes the ECM is water cooled and like ALL outboards should be flushed with "salt away" I have not heard of any
issues with plugging..That said..my fellow mex fishing buddys do not take care of their motors in any shape,form or give them a second thought till
they break....that's just the way it is in mexico/Baja....To SF&H the new strokes are CLEAN and efficient and are very quiet.....SO I guess I will
just shut up and let all you none pro's in my biz think what your brain is stuck on,, carry on..four strokes SUCK for boat motors and that is the
simple reason two strokes have been used forever..a "homelite" 4 stroke tried to get a market share for a while and are a so/so motor for light duty
......myself am getting bored/tired of fools that have very little time with outboard repair/use/wisdom to even try and debate with me...GET A GRIP..
you are only the end user and your thoughts are not from doing this work 8 days a week...and have a shot of the BIG overall picture.....and to all the
guys that U2U for help..please keep doing so,,as I like to help my fellow boaters !!! |
I guess this means that you weren't able to figure out how to "phony-up" a business card and post it? Google "making a phony business card on the
computer", it's easier than mixing 2 stroke fuel 
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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DTbush
I don't need to post my biz card !! you have always seem to be a level headed guy and I love your avatar BTW..I think I said that few years
ago.....the simple fact is a four stroke outboard is a over priced,over rated and a poor excuse for the duty that most folks use on a boat.....If you
think that over night a four stroke pwr/plant is GOD for a boat...why did that not happen years ago ????? I work on a homeland security vessel and it
has two 250 hp oxxys two strokes..this vessel is on patrol every sunday and saves lives and does a lot of tow in's..fuel injected with a ox sensor
(Yamaha) and runs and runs and runs with almost no service or repair...f/ing strong motor ... I have twin 2 strokes on my own boat and would not trade
them for a set of free four strokes..but,,gee since I fix motors 8 days a week..don't listen to me..go ask bob or jose !!
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Good general info from all sides, except personal attacks are silly. Opinions are welcome.
Call an outboard motor shop who knows ETEC motors and ask the owner for their opinion and they likely chorus what Capkw says, the ETEC is superior by
being more efficient with fewer parts, less weight and are excellent.
Costa Baja and other high end marinas where Capkw seems to hang out have access to RO fresh water running on docks with no salt, while pueblos often
do not have easy access to piped RO fresh water.
I'm sure there is much more minutia to the personal decisions on best practices than revealed so far, safe to say, most of the motor specific comments
in this thread seem relatively accurate as someone who also has a some experience with the 225 ETEC and also both 2 stroke and 4 stroke outboards, so
lighten up. We all just want them to work so we can go boating and get back to shore.
You can see why Merchant Marine lifetime experienced boat engine people don't chat much with the regular folks and tend to segregate at drinking
holes.
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IMHO the biggest point in favor of 2 strokes, and it is an important one, is that they have far fewer moving parts. I think it's generally true that
in any machine the fewer moving parts that get the job done the better. I can understand why a good mechanic would be in favor of 2 strokes.
Now I don't know, maybe my next motor will be a 2 stroke. 
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I have had good luck with both 2 and 4 strokes. The 15hp Honda that I'm currently using is 14 years old, and has been very reliable, and required only
minimal maintenance over the years.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: Originally posted by captkw | | I don't need to post my biz card !! you have always seem to be a level headed guy and I love your avatar BTW..I think I said that few years
ago.....the simple fact is a four stroke outboard is a over priced,over rated and a poor excuse for the duty that most folks use on a boat.....If you
think that over night a four stroke pwr/plant is GOD for a boat...why did that not happen years ago ????? I work on a homeland security vessel and it
has two 250 hp oxxys two strokes..this vessel is on patrol every sunday and saves lives and does a lot of tow in's..fuel injected with a ox sensor
(Yamaha) and runs and runs and runs with almost no service or repair...f/ing strong motor ... I have twin 2 strokes on my own boat and would not trade
them for a set of free four strokes..but,,gee since I fix motors 8 days a week..don't listen to me..go ask bob or jose !! |
Sorry cap, I was just being a smart a$$ as usual. I've had several 2 stroke outboards as well as 4 strokes over the years, I find the 4 strokes to be
heavy but more trouble free. I don't work with mine so they have easy duty. Everyone has a preference, to each his own...
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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The thread formerly known as "Stolen Boat Motor, La Ribera"
Hats off to you chavycha..for maintaining a good sense of humor while being hijacked.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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| Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | | Quote: Originally posted by captkw | | I don't need to post my biz card !! you have always seem to be a level headed guy and I love your avatar BTW..I think I said that few years
ago.....the simple fact is a four stroke outboard is a over priced,over rated and a poor excuse for the duty that most folks use on a boat.....If you
think that over night a four stroke pwr/plant is GOD for a boat...why did that not happen years ago ????? I work on a homeland security vessel and it
has two 250 hp oxxys two strokes..this vessel is on patrol every sunday and saves lives and does a lot of tow in's..fuel injected with a ox sensor
(Yamaha) and runs and runs and runs with almost no service or repair...f/ing strong motor ... I have twin 2 strokes on my own boat and would not trade
them for a set of free four strokes..but,,gee since I fix motors 8 days a week..don't listen to me..go ask bob or jose !! |
Sorry cap, I was just being a smart a$$ as usual. I've had several 2 stroke outboards as well as 4 strokes over the years, I find the 4 strokes to be
heavy but more trouble free. I don't work with mine so they have easy duty. Everyone has a preference, to each his own... |
catpkw...you cant "bully" end users...they are the ones who count
getting your advice with a u2u is just typing...anyone can look stuff up
if you're in the boat repair business you have a card...
post it...otherwise you are just a guy typing his thoughts and nothing else
prove that you know what you are talking about...i'll bet you cant
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anyone could do that...no dis-respect
it doesn't prove he's who he keeps telling people he is...
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there isn't 8 days in a week...
he types a lot...and makes a lot of mistakes about electricity and boat engines...a professional working for years on motors KNOW all the tricks
a business card isn't a huge request...I even have one
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To Chavycha..thanks for being a guy with reason and such... yes I have a biz card and work order forms.....BUT, being in the repair biz over 35 years
has taught me a few things..like the bigger the sign out front does not by any means a good mech/tech..its usally a small shop where the guy gets his
work because of his good work and world of mouth !! I have never posted anything on BN for the simple fact I have not spent the time to learn to post
here and the POS phone I got two months ago in a hurry does not transfer data to a laptop......If it meant the world was gonna end if I didn't post
my biz card I would...but that's not the case and also has nothing to do with a 2 vs 4 stroke outboard...as a boater/fisherman/captain, master
mechanic and electrical specialist with yrs in the bilge I have a working sense of motors ( Ya Think) and I recommend to guys waaay smarter than I to
look into a new 2 stroke.. and guess what ??? they are buying two strokes...if you one of ones that got BS'D into a fourstroke and spent a ton of
money..well live with the fact that you have a nice new motor and go boating !!!
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I have a 90 HP Etec on my heavy 17' Invader - zero smoke, uber quiet, very powerful & 5 NMPG - I'm a happy guy!
The new 4-stroke offerings from Yamaha are also very nice.
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My current fishing boat has this 115 Etech and it's a champ. Replaced a nice 115 4S Yammie because it was too good a deal to pass up. So far I am
very happy with the change. These are some of my reasons...
After buying and using the Etec, I just wave and honk as I drive past the dealership.... no oil changes, no 10-20-100-500-1000 hr check ups.
Sound levels. If you haven't been around E-Tecs to hear them run, the trim on my motor is louder than the engine.
Bought it, then just started it and went fishing. After 3 yrs change the LU oil, the fuel filters, plugs maybe, and impellor - resume fishing for
another 3 unbothered years - rinse - repeat... leave these instructions for your kids... it will still be going.
If you're doing good with your 4-S, that's great. I did, too, as this photo shows. They all beat the heck out of breaking out the oars.
[Edited on 3-14-2015 by Pompano]
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