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I photographed it in the museum in La Paz. A modern interpretation of how the natives felt about the Spanish military, it would seem? Maybe
BajaTripper knows more, he was there also, and knows La Paz history?
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I photographed it in the museum in La Paz. A modern interpretation of how the natives felt about the Spanish military, it would seem? Maybe
BajaTripper knows more, he was there also, and knows La Paz history? |
It would be nice to put a citation on it. Soldier had his sword out...converting the natives maybe?
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You really can't blame the indigenous folks of the western hemisphere for being upset with the Europeans, after all, the Spaniards brought with them
smallpox, measles, scarlet fever, typhoid, typhus, influenza, pertussis (whooping cough), tuberculosis, cholera, diphtheria, chickenpox, the common
cold, and sexually transmitted diseases.
All of which didn't exist in this hemisphere.
I've read that diseases introduced by the Europeans killed 90% of the indigenous inhabitants.
Biological warfare.
[Edited on 6-19-2016 by SFandH]
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David K
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It would be nice to put a citation on it. Soldier had his sword out...converting the natives maybe?
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Says the Nomad who almost never shares photos?
My camera didn't get anything below the painting. I thought it stood alone nicely.
Soldiers did not covert /baptize anyone. |
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It would be nice to put a citation on it. Soldier had his sword out...converting the natives maybe?
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Says the Nomad who almost never shares photos?
My camera didn't get anything below the painting. I thought it stood alone nicely.
Soldiers did not covert /baptize anyone. |
Nope hardly ever...Some people steal them to put out there on the internet without citations. |
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David K
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I didn't steal the photo, I took the picture myself. 
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Too busy killing and raping.....paving the way for the missionaries to collect slave labour for their imperial aspirations.
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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Or, you can read the writings of both the missionaries and non-missionaries of the period and decide for yourself instead of
repeating the "PC inspired propaganda" of modern writers?
I am not a religious person, I only enjoy in clearing up the conflicts of data published. I hope that there can be a clearer view of what happened so
we can better understand the motive for so much work done in such a hostile land, so far from where the missionaries came from.
I want to know if the "magic" that Baja possesses over many of us Nomads was also at work over the missionaries!
Again, right or wrong (by today's standards), my history posts are only to share what is known to have happened and not to justify any of it one way
or another. Everyone involved or victimized by the missionaries have been dead over 100 years.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I photographed it in the museum in La Paz. A modern interpretation of how the natives felt about the Spanish military, it would seem? Maybe
BajaTripper knows more, he was there also, and knows La Paz history? |
That looks like something you might find in your Dawson Book Store Baja Travel Series books, David. I would go combing through my books, but most of
them are in La Paz.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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David,
Please don't assume that some of us who have been aware of the injustices and damage done by religious imperialism are gullible folks who only read
"PC inspired propaganda" (whatever that means....seems you have your own "political correctness"....so that term is pretty useless when you think
about it).
Starting with my elementary school history lessons, and those continuing throughout seven years of university education provided a plethora of factual
evidence that made such injustices abundantly evident....without any teacher/literature being motivated by "political correctness".
You point out that victims of this religious imperialism have been dead for over 100 years. WTF does that suggest? That it is irrelevant?
You will be dead in 30 years....does that make all your pro-missionary zeal research and promo irrelevant?
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Or, you can read the writings of both the missionaries and non-missionaries of the period and decide for yourself instead of
repeating the "PC inspired propaganda" of modern writers?
......my history posts are only to share what is known to have happened and not to justify any of it one way or another. Everyone involved or
victimized by the missionaries have been dead over 100 years. |
Don't believe everything you think....
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What the LOSER Aborigines THINK....................... ?
Is of NO importance.
Screw THEM.
The Europeans WON.
And, Life is BETTER as a result.
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Everything in history is "relevant" depending on your frame of reference and context, but to talk about past "injustice" as something we today should
take any blame for is not too productive, in my opinion, and frankly not particularly interesting--------stuff happened, and there is NOTHING we can
do about it because everybody involved is dead, other than try to learn from it. At the time, it seemed like the thing to do, and the motives are
complex and beyond knowing, IMO. I am not sure man has progressed much--------some pretty awful stuff still happens today, and even that is depending
on your point of view.
Why this is brought up over and over again is beyond me.
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David K
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Religious Imperialism???
Is that from Karl Marx?
Again, I have no pro-Catholic motive. I am not Catholic. I only want the data that is known to be accurately told. No guilt or innocence implied. The
reader can form their own opinions.
My books: www.oldmissions.com
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Everything in history is "relevant" depending on your frame of reference and context, but to talk about past "injustice" as something we today should
take any blame for is not too productive, in my opinion, and frankly not particularly interesting--------stuff happened, and there is NOTHING we can
do about it because everybody involved is dead, other than try to learn from it. At the time, it seemed like the thing to do, and the motives are
complex and beyond knowing, IMO. I am not sure man has progressed much--------some pretty awful stuff still happens today, and even that is depending
on your point of view.
Why this is brought up over and over again is beyond me. |
Tell that to holocaust survivors. We should always learn from history.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Religious Imperialism???
Is that from Karl Marx?
Again, I have no pro-Catholic motive. I am not Catholic. I only want the data that is known to be accurately told. No guilt or innocence implied. The
reader can form their own opinions.
My books: www.oldmissions.com |
Yes David, Religious leaders are and were conquerors.
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Wasn't it all driven by the search for gold and silver? An interesting fact is Spain was the first western nation to experience inflation. They found
so much silver in the New World that instead of increasing wealth as much as they thought it would, the value of silver decreased. Supply and demand.
Another interesting fact is that slave trade from Africa started after most of the indigenous people in the Caribbean died from the bacterias and
viruses that sailed across the Atlantic with the explorers.
Opps, all the indigenous slaves are dead, gotta go get some from Africa to cut the sugar cane.
[Edited on 6-20-2016 by SFandH]
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Our government (US) should learn some lessons from Custer
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Religious Imperialism???
Is that from Karl Marx?
Again, I have no pro-Catholic motive. I am not Catholic. I only want the data that is known to be accurately told. No guilt or innocence implied. The
reader can form their own opinions.
My books: www.oldmissions.com |
Yes David, Religious leaders are and were conquerors. |
All of the large religions have imperialist ambitions. They don't get large unless their leaders are motivated by power and greed. The Catholic
Church was once a ruthless conguering power, acting in concert with states having overlapping ambitions.
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Learning from the PAST
Or, just peddling guilt to feel good about oneself ?
With the Left, it seems to be the latter. They seem to love feeling guilty about White Man Wickedness, sometimes current day, but mostly so
far in the past that none of the so-called "guilty" have been alive for the last few hundred years.
Given current world events, it doesn't seem that there has been too much "Learning".
And, likely, won't be.
Those who have the capability to oppress others to advantage are still doing so to whatever extent they can.
But, IF it makes you feel GOOD to feel GUILTY ............. GO AHEAD.
Just don't expect the rest of us (non-oppressors) to join in.
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Yep!!! Less talk...more machine guns.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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