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JDCanuck
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We've had our vaccines, boosters provided at shorter and shorter time frames, we developed a lot of working treatments, we have a natural antibody
producing weaker strain circulating rapidly, and the case fatality rates are plummeting way below where they were even 6 months ago. Thjs is what the
data shows, so why are we panicking more and more as the entire situation is rapidly improving?
Here's the case fatality rate history:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | We've had our vaccines, boosters provided at shorter and shorter time frames, we developed a lot of working treatments, we have a natural antibody
producing weaker strain circulating rapidly, and the case fatality rates are plummeting way below where they were even 6 months ago. Thjs is what the
data shows, so why are we panicking more and more as the entire situation is rapidly improving?
Here's the case fatality rate history:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
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I just added Mexico to that chart and WOW! Mexico death rate is 9.26 while the US is 1.78.
[Edited on 1-6-2022 by chippy]
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Yeah that makes sense. I´ve never seen testing sites down here where I live. The only people I know who were tested were in hospital with symptoms
and more than half died.
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So......my earlier post/question:
Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better
than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then?
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
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Hi Chippy: Mexico has always under reported the cases as the vast majority were never tested til they became very severe. Tends to elevate the case
fatality rates. In countries where testing is more available, they have consistently shown lower case fatalities. With Omicron we are told the real
infection rates are two to three times what the tested positives show. So IFR (Infection Fatality Rates) are significantly lower, especially with a
strain that has very mild or non-existent symptoms.
In our area of Canada, tests are not readily available;even the rapid tests, and the health region only tests those with significant symptoms or
people returning from other countries. Consequently, ours is over reported as well.
Even so, our present case fatality rate in our health region is under 0.73%, the lowest it has ever been. All scheduled operations in hospitals are
cancelled and school has been delayed for children as more and more people with mild systems are off work.
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JDCanuck
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100X: That has always been my thought. At what point in your health cycle do you want to build up the natural resistance to a virus that will generate
similar strains in the future, or do we want to have a booster vaccine every 3 to 4 months forever? The seasonal flu vaccines were never more than 50%
effective on an average year.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | So......my earlier post/question:
Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better
than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then? |
I would say yes, but no one can say for sure.
My wife is down in Scottsdale this week with about 20 ppl for an offsite meeting.
I'm pretty sure she's gonna come back with Omicron. I'll stay clear for a few days.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | So......my earlier post/question:
Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better
than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then? |
Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that.
What gets me about those 'antivaccers' who don't want to introduce it into their bodies. They end up introducing far more chemicals after they get
infected. There is no comparison. And if they end up hospitalized? The vaccine shot is miniscule compared to what they will need to pull them out of
their misery.
Go with the science, not the rabble.
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JDCanuck
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More and more Scientists are coming out with the idea that Omicron is advancing us to the endemic stage(fewer hospitalized) by creating broader
community immunity at a much quicker rate than previously and the data is backing that viewpoint up I think.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
What gets me about those 'antivaccers' who don't want to introduce it into their bodies. They end up introducing far more chemicals after they get
infected. There is no comparison. And if they end up hospitalized? The vaccine shot is miniscule compared to what they will need to pull them out of
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Go with the science, not the rabble. |
You do realize that the vast majority of ppl who have decided not to get vaxxed will be just fine, no? And will do even better when faced with
Omicron.
And we need to just stop it with, "follow the science." That is such a horsechit statement.
You don't reduce the days in quarantine from 10 to 5 because you had some new revelation in science. They did it by performing a risk vs. benefit
analysis. They decided so many ppl were going to get infected by Omicron that the US economy would grind to a halt if they didn't shorten the
guideline.
Risk/benefit balance is critical in everything we do in life. We have been fighting over where the "proper balance" stood more than anything the last
2 years (not science).
The tide is turning and more Dems are moving to where the Pubs have been. Read recent statements from Fauci, the new mayor of NY, Biden on schools,
governor of CO, and many, many more.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money
and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy! |
A vaccine is almost always preferable to a treatment. Prevention is better than a cure. It's easier on the patient, the health provider, the
hospitals, and the tax payer. You can make politically motivated arguments until you're blue in the face but it won't change basic facts.
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If you are going to quote me only partially, and then change what I said, please don't. I am vaccinated and boosted, also got my flu shot...
personally think it is a good thing to be. So, even with all this, are you saying when I get the Omicron variant (which everyone who is fully faxed
and masked is still getting), we shouldn't have over-the-counter or prescription treatments? Finally, where is the political motivation to my
post...? I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms
and letting the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid?
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Skipjack Joe:
"Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that."
Isn't that what a vaccine does, this one more than others?
What if it turns out the first safe and truly effective "vaccine" is Omicron?
I have already noted the problems with "follow the [for hire] science."
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | Skipjack Joe:
"Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that."
Isn't that what a vaccine does, this one more than others?
What if it turns out the first safe and truly effective "vaccine" is Omicron?
I have already noted the problems with "follow the [for hire] science." |
No. The vaccine 'side effects' are the body's immune system being charged for a viral infection. A viral infection is an attack on your body, which
causes the body to fight back and in the process build it's immune system. It should be obvious which is preferable. Omicron is a virus not a vaccine.
You don't want to infect the body to build resistance. Medicine has stopped doing that since the early 19th century when the bubonic plague was fought
that way (read Abigail Adams, wife of 2nd POTUS).
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money
and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy! |
A vaccine is almost always preferable to a treatment. Prevention is better than a cure. It's easier on the patient, the health provider, the
hospitals, and the tax payer. You can make politically motivated arguments until you're blue in the face but it won't change basic facts.
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If you are going to quote me only partially, and then change what I said, please don't. I am vaccinated and boosted, also got my flu shot...
personally think it is a good thing to be. So, even with all this, are you saying when I get the Omicron variant (which everyone who is fully faxed
and masked is still getting), we shouldn't have over-the-counter or prescription treatments? Finally, where is the political motivation to my
post...? I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms
and letting the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid? |
That which I disagree with I respond to. Everyone does that David. Why would I quote everything you write when I'm only responding to part of it.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms and letting
the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid? |
It's absurd statements like the above that get my responses.
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JDCanuck
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Here is Pfizer's definition of "Endemic" sometime in 2024.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/pfizer-executives-say-covid-...
Covid-19 would reach the endemic level when populations have enough immunity from vaccines or from prior infections to keep transmissions,
hospitalizations and deaths under control even as the virus circulates.
“When and how exactly this happens will depend on the evolution of the disease, how effectively society deploys vaccines and treatments, and
equitable distribution to places where vaccination rates are low,” Pfizer chief scientific officer Mikael Dolsten said. “The emergence of new
variants could also impact how the pandemic continues to play out.
Dictionary definition, specifically 3)
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/endemic
(of a disease) persisting in a population or region, generally having settled to a relatively constant rate of occurrence:The coronavirus that causes
COVID-19 may never disappear, but could become endemic like HIV.
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just tell everyone you know...
The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money
and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy! |
A vaccine is almost always preferable to a treatment. Prevention is better than a cure. It's easier on the patient, the health provider, the
hospitals, and the tax payer. You can make politically motivated arguments until you're blue in the face but it won't change basic facts.
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If you are going to quote me only partially, and then change what I said, please don't. I am vaccinated and boosted, also got my flu shot...
personally think it is a good thing to be. So, even with all this, are you saying when I get the Omicron variant (which everyone who is fully faxed
and masked is still getting), we shouldn't have over-the-counter or prescription treatments? Finally, where is the political motivation to my
post...? I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms
and letting the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid? |
David...you called it the China Virus...nothing political or racist there....
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I'm surprised I haven't gotten it yet - not that I'm careless but I have been around a lot more people the past month including 10 hours in airplanes
and spending the holidays with friends and family I haven't seen in a little bit (college kids,....). My husband has been seeing a LOT of employees
testing positive post holidays. And we are in the "gotta do more than everyone else" Bay Area. I am grateful Omicron is less virulent especially for
the vaccinated, it seems we will all get it eventually. It was bound to happen, just like with other pandemics. Virus's tend to fizzle out and
become endemic, not deadly. I have been living with the mindset of two years, and hopefully that is on target and we are out of this crapola by March
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Greg Gutfeld agrees!! Let me know if you get that reference Bob/Susan.
I think it has a real shot. Fingers crossed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Greg Gutfeld agrees!! Let me know if you get that reference Bob/Susan.
I think it has a real shot. Fingers crossed.
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Have you turkeys looked at the graphs? The slopes are steep and rising,… history shows the peaks don’t disappear in under a month
Woke!
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