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John Harper
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It does not look like anyone has all the answers to this in almost two years now. Who knows how long this will persist, perhaps forever.
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | Safest place in the world to travel to right now seems to be Sweden, the place everyone was bashing for their irresponsible management early on. Now
they have among the lowest case fatality rates anyplace, and they don't seem to be rising with the latest surge in cases.
I suspect they have far more people who have recovered from this virus and have gotten far closer to "herd immunity" as their vaccination rates are
still below ours and their mask wearing regulations are also lower. |
Sweden has almost the same death rate as U.S. Their population about 10,000,000 and about 15,000 COVID deaths
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Using your figures .15 percent in Sweden, well below the US cumulative rate, but for the past month or two out of 10 million people and surging cases,
their fatality rate remains less than 1 per day. There has to be a good reason why their RECENT case fatality rate has been so low.
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According to the NYT's database, since the beginning of the pandemic, Sweden's death rate per 100,000 is 143 and the United States is 189.
Canada is 71 per 100K.
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But this data source shows this as total to date cumulative case fatality rates. Germany:2.4%, US 1.7% Sweden 1.3%
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
And the US has improved significantly since I last looked.
[Edited on 8-22-2021 by JDCanuck]
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Link to current Mexican federal Covid-19 semaphore map:
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/semaforo/
[Edited on 8-22-2021 by Mr. Bills]
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Well, you do the arithmetic to see if the percentage deaths per total number of cases are equal to the absolute number per 100,000 cases.
Of course, death rates are going down. Therapeutics are better and I bet many currently sick people have stronger immune systems, therefore less sick,
because of prior exposure and/or partial/full vaccinations, or because they are younger.
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Hi Bill: Ive been using this more localized source and La Paz and Cabo, the places we will be flying into in 3 weeks recently went from level 5 to
level 3. If the trend continues in the present direction I expect level 2 or 1 by the time we arrive and settle in.
http://www.bajainsider.com/article/covid-19-information-rest...
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Well, you do the arithmetic to see if the percentage deaths per total number of cases are equal to the absolute number per 100,000 cases.
Of course, death rates are going down. Therapeutics are better and I bet many currently sick people have stronger immune systems, therefore less sick,
because of prior exposure and/or partial/full vaccinations, or because they are younger.[/rquote]
Yes, all that combined is (far too slowly for most) taking us out of this tunnel.
The challenge is deciding at what point we can reasonably begin relaxing costly restrictions and lock downs
And I do prefer using the Johns Hopkins data sets as they use the same standards from all the various sources they get fed from with zero bias
applied. Then they feed that data to various states' health authorities
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Very useful link for Baja, thank you.
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Thanks for sharing.
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Any updates on the Covid cases either in Baja, Mexico or the US? Thread seems to have died suddenly. Does this mean conditions in those areas are
improving? xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Mexico's case fatality rate still extremely high at right around 9 percent. Not a good time to be taking any side trips.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mexico/
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Unfortunately deaths lag cases as we have seen but hopefully since there is a large percentage of the people over 65 vaccinated and better treatments,
we should see a lot less people die.
The cases seemed to have peaked out and Missouri is already on the way down which was sort of an epicenter in the USA.
From the numbers presented here baja sur has peaked too.
There is some hope this could be the last big peak given vaccinations and immunity for those that have caught and recovered from the disease.
Fingers crossed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd | Unfortunately deaths lag cases as we have seen but hopefully since there is a large percentage of the people over 65 vaccinated and better treatments,
we should see a lot less people die.
The cases seemed to have peaked out and Missouri is already on the way down which was sort of an epicenter in the USA.
From the numbers presented here baja sur has peaked too.
There is some hope this could be the last big peak given vaccinations and immunity for those that have caught and recovered from the disease.
Fingers crossed. |
Yes, same here, but we have been through this cycle so many times now you are almost afraid to hope.
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Some signs that Delta may have peaked.
This site shows Effective Reproduction number by state. Number >1 means the virus is spreading, <1 it is contracting.
Pretty much all of the Southern states, which were the early Delta hotspots, are now <1. Other regions should follow. Hopefully a steep decline in
cases is coming.
https://covidestim.org/
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | Some signs that Delta may have peaked.
This site shows Effective Reproduction number by state. Number >1 means the virus is spreading, <1 it is contracting.
Pretty much all of the Southern states, which were the early Delta hotspots, are now <1. Other regions should follow. Hopefully a steep decline in
cases is coming.
https://covidestim.org/
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Thanks Jz: Thats a pretty interesting site. The one thing I never saw before was the number indicating the estimated percentage of previously infected
people. Our area is extremely low on this scale, and this IMHO leaves us far more susceptible to future surges. Florida is over 55% which is awfully
close to herd immunity predictions. Combined with the high vaccination rates, perhaps it is time to be more hopeful that this indeed is the final
surge.
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Testing of workers is increasingly required, while the test used remains the faulty PCR RT (although CDC admits it is faulty) because the test has
high false positive and no ability to confirm covid19 versus any other pathogen, such as common cold, so, case numbers are rising, fraudulently.
Health care workers are tested at bi weekly intervals and "false positives" require quarantine.
Inside health care, it is well communicated, there is no more managed health care, procedures are being cancelled for no given reason, there is no
more elective care. Workers are being sent home, while less qualified workers are manning testing and vaccination sites.
In California, major health care providers, such as Kaiser, are saying you can not enter the hospital or office without a current test, you must be
tested prior to entering and be negative, positive results must isolate and trigger cell contact tracing meaning any false positive prompts all
contacts in physical proximity to be tested.
Still, to date, there has never been demonstrated evidence of covid19 isolated to prove existence, covid19 is a lab model uploaded before covid19 was
reported or before any case was identified, while certainly respiratory illness exists.
Vaccines are creating hyper production of spike protein based on computer models prior to 2020, not on any actual illness of virus found in a patient.
Today, vaccines are creating breakthrough of strains which are causing weakness of overall immune response while creating competition in immune
systems, resulting in high viral load in vaccinated.
Infected and recuperated remain the only healthy immune systems while vaccinated make up the scores of severe illness, and injection side affects
resulting in heart problems, stroke neurological issues, injury and death.
Today there are reported more tan 1 million injured by the vaccines reported in EU, half a million in USA and more in UK yellow card reporting.
These CV vaccine injuries and deaths reported represent a fraction of the whole number, meaning numbers of injures and deaths are much higher, in they
many millions worldwide.
This is preplanned depopulation to reduce commitments to life insurance and retirement obligations, increase controls, launch globalization reset to
make corporations the center of control.
We are at war around the world, globalists against individuals.
All well planned, broadcasted, executed, and while clearly fraudulent, senior populations especially are quick to give up freedom, our way of life,
complying with globalists, while demanding all other citizens give up liberty and freedom as well for totalitarian control and tyranny, early death,
depopulation, with intentional harm to our immune systems.
[Edited on 8-25-2021 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | Some signs that Delta may have peaked.
This site shows Effective Reproduction number by state. Number >1 means the virus is spreading, <1 it is contracting.
Pretty much all of the Southern states, which were the early Delta hotspots, are now <1. Other regions should follow. Hopefully a steep decline in
cases is coming.
https://covidestim.org/
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You'll advise us when to burn our masks?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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You'll advise us when to burn our masks?[/rquote]
You could always keep your masks for the dusty roads and storms, why burn them? Going to be a whole lot of discarded masks out there to clean up.
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