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Handy to wipe your butt in an emergency too.
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.... All well planned, broadcasted, executed, and while clearly fraudulent, senior populations especially are quick to give up freedom, our way of
life, complying with globalists, while demanding all other citizens give up liberty and freedom as well for totalitarian control and tyranny, early
death, depopulation, with intentional harm to our immune systems.
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The biggest threat to health is this kind of thinking. Simply amazing that some folks really believe this kind of stuff.  
Don't believe everything you think....
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Seniors belief that pharma will save their lives versus actually taking charge of their personal health is the biggest threat to their health.
Focus on Nutrition, exercise, fresh air, sunshine, rest and turn off the TV!
Obesity is the number one cause of poor health, but, SOME PEOPLE prefer to blame their poor health on others, which has got to be the most deranged
and convoluted thinking.
[Edited on 8-25-2021 by gnukid]
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Some nuts are difficult to digest....
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | Some signs that Delta may have peaked.
This site shows Effective Reproduction number by state. Number >1 means the virus is spreading, <1 it is contracting.
Pretty much all of the Southern states, which were the early Delta hotspots, are now <1. Other regions should follow. Hopefully a steep decline in
cases is coming.
https://covidestim.org/
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Thanks Jz: Thats a pretty interesting site. The one thing I never saw before was the number indicating the estimated percentage of previously infected
people. Our area is extremely low on this scale, and this IMHO leaves us far more susceptible to future surges. Florida is over 55% which is awfully
close to herd immunity predictions. Combined with the high vaccination rates, perhaps it is time to be more hopeful that this indeed is the final
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JD - just to put a tiny bit of science into this. the current delta varient is far more infective that previous "versions" of the virus. like 3-9X
more infective. what that does is blow the number / % required to reach herd immunity sky high, like well up over the 90%. and BTW - a bit more
research, turns out previous infections are providing far less effective priotection that the vaccines - so they are not very "helpfull" in reaching
"herd immunity".
This really is not a difficult science or medical problem - we know the solution, get evryone vaccinated - - unfortunately peoples political
agendas are stopping that, and are now killing people - including themselves - I can't understand that mentality!
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Caj13----------You appear to be getting your "science" from an entirely different source than I am. Could you enlighten us as to where you are
getting it?
My wife (77) and I (83) have natural anti-bodies from our exposure to Covid-19 back in early Nov. of 2020 and our 14-day moderate bout with Covid. We
are tested for anti-bodies every 3 months, and all have come back positive. Even tho I am a "long hauler" with medium intermittent symptoms, I have
never had to go to a Doctor for other than Rx's for our "anti body tests", and advice on what to do. Currently , we are not vaccinated and unless we
lose our natural anti-bodies protection are not getting jabbed with an experimental vaccine. Why would we??? It's not "political" to us, it's just
common sense based on the plethora of mis-information passed on as the Gospel from numerous sources.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. |
....Currently , we are not vaccinated and unless we lose our natural anti-bodies protection are not getting jabbed with an experimental vaccine. Why
would we??? ......it's just common sense based on the plethora of mis-information passed on as the Gospel from numerous sources.
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I have heard medical science indicate that a vaccine for folks in your "category" would significantly boost your antibody count and reduce
"long-hauler" symptoms.
But common sense isn't that common, so that line is toothless.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Caj13----------You appear to be getting your "science" from an entirely different source than I am. Could you enlighten us as to where you are
getting it?
My wife (77) and I (83) have natural anti-bodies from our exposure to Covid-19 back in early Nov. of 2020 and our 14-day moderate bout with Covid. We
are tested for anti-bodies every 3 months, and all have come back positive. Even tho I am a "long hauler" with medium intermittent symptoms, I have
never had to go to a Doctor for other than Rx's for our "anti body tests", and advice on what to do. Currently , we are not vaccinated and unless we
lose our natural anti-bodies protection are not getting jabbed with an experimental vaccine. Why would we??? It's not "political" to us, it's just
common sense based on the plethora of mis-information passed on as the Gospel from numerous sources.
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CV-19 is very random. I've read of ppl having it and getting mild symptoms. And then getting it again almost a year later and getting pretty sick.
I'd recommend getting the vaccine. But I respect your decision. Ultimately, it's your choice.
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Motoged---------I too have read and heard that, but I have also heard other conflicting opinions from very reputable sources that are too many to
quote here. I try to read and listen to as many sources as I can, and then make up my own mind based on what makes the most sense to me. I do not
like putting "experimental" substances into my body, so am very reluctant to just follow the prevailing stated wisdom. That is just me (and my wife
who feels much more strongly about this than I do?) LOL We both spend a lot of time researching all this, especially me since I am long retired
(26 years).
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Caj13----------You appear to be getting your "science" from an entirely different source than I am. Could you enlighten us as to where you are
getting it?
My wife (77) and I (83) have natural anti-bodies from our exposure to Covid-19 back in early Nov. of 2020 and our 14-day moderate bout with Covid. We
are tested for anti-bodies every 3 months, and all have come back positive. Even tho I am a "long hauler" with medium intermittent symptoms, I have
never had to go to a Doctor for other than Rx's for our "anti body tests", and advice on what to do. Currently , we are not vaccinated and unless we
lose our natural anti-bodies protection are not getting jabbed with an experimental vaccine. Why would we??? It's not "political" to us, it's just
common sense based on the plethora of mis-information passed on as the Gospel from numerous sources.
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CV-19 is very random. I've read of ppl having it and getting mild symptoms. And then getting it again almost a year later and getting pretty sick.
I'd recommend getting the vaccine. But I respect your decision. Ultimately, it's your choice.
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Thanks, JZ. I much prefer "pretty sick" to having my DNA altered by experimental jabs. That is just us, of course.
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In any case, since everyone's science seems to differ considerably, combining the natural antibodies(which my research tells me is 99%+ effective in
preventing reoccurring cases) and the number of fully vaccinated people who we are told have 80 to 90 % protection, this brings us in total in Fla to
close to 90 % protection, and I think this is why the fatality rates have fallen off so drastically. They in addition are using the post infection
treatment widely to contribute even more to their presently high recovery rates. So we now have 3 levels of prevention and treatment.
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If you compare the case fatality rates post delta to what the case fatality rates were pre delta i think this becomes very clear. In other words the
recovery rates from confirmed cases are increasing after the appearance of Delta despite it being more deadly among non-vaccinated countries and those
who had not previously recovered.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Caj13----------You appear to be getting your "science" from an entirely different source than I am. Could you enlighten us as to where you are
getting it?
My wife (77) and I (83) have natural anti-bodies from our exposure to Covid-19 back in early Nov. of 2020 and our 14-day moderate bout with Covid. We
are tested for anti-bodies every 3 months, and all have come back positive. Even tho I am a "long hauler" with medium intermittent symptoms, I have
never had to go to a Doctor for other than Rx's for our "anti body tests", and advice on what to do. Currently , we are not vaccinated and unless we
lose our natural anti-bodies protection are not getting jabbed with an experimental vaccine. Why would we??? It's not "political" to us, it's just
common sense based on the plethora of mis-information passed on as the Gospel from numerous sources.
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Barry, and thanks for that post, we seldom get anything from people who are working with their doctors, monitoring their antibodies strength and
choosing a different path in consultation with them.
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The latest actual study in Israel results comparing vaccines to natural antibodies I could find:
https://www.italy24news.com/News/133097.html
The antibodies activated during natural infection with Sars-CoV-2 would be more effective in defending against a new infection than those activated by
vaccine against the Covid: this is what emerges from the data of the Israeli Ministry of Health taken from various media in the Middle Eastern
country. In particular, the ministry would have observed that among the more than 7,700 new cases of Covid-19 recorded during the last wave of this
spring, only 72 (or less than 1% of the total) concerned people who had previously had the disease, while almost 40% of cases (over 3 thousand
patients) concerned people who were vaccinated.
This one has links to multiple studies
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/covid-19-natural-immunit...
[Edited on 8-26-2021 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Great post, thanks.
Question: If you had not auto-immunized before the vaccine came out (by running through the infection), you think that would have affected your
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Yes, it would, and I would have been vaccinated. I am vaccinated against everything else. But my wife would have still refused the jab, and it is
not wise to argue with one's wife.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Great post, thanks.
Question: If you had not auto-immunized before the vaccine came out (by running through the infection), you think that would have affected your
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Yes, it would, and I would have been vaccinated. I am vaccinated against everything else. But my wife would have still refused the jab, and it is
not wise to argue with one's wife.
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My wife too is very resistant to the mass of new vaccines as she has had negative results from past vaccinations. In this case tho, and as she works
in Health Care still she has been given both vaccinations both by choice and now if she did not agree to she would be disallowed from working. Several
of her co-workers are still unvaccinated and the excessive load the remaining ones will be under will just increase.
It's become a very disruptive discussion and I just hope for all our sakes we can put this one behind us soon.
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| Quote: | | Another key finding of the study was that the immune response of those who were vaccinated was much stronger than those who have recovered from
COVID-19. |
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-research-finds-covid-1...
Still some contradictory stuff out there and not always sure they are comparing apples to apples. Not clear which variant we are talking about etc.
Let’s hope that vaccines and those that recovered will both work.
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Nomads as a group, or demographic, must focus on their individual weaknesses or debility which is primarily, obesity, poor nutrition, lack of
exercise, lack of physical and mental activity and too much alcohol, fat, sugar, and poor sleeping habits.
It's easy to be healthy, but, you must focus on yourself, only you have the ability to improve your immune system, through improved personal health.
It's clear there is great delusion among the group that somehow they can be obese, lazy, smoke, drink, avoid exercise and then blame their poor health
on people who go out, socialize and enjoy life? Projection of poor health on others is delusional.
In psychological terms, projection, avoidance, and ignorance sadly, leads to shortened life.
Why not share what you are doing to improve your health? What changes have you made over the last year, what significant adjustments are you doing to
improve prevention of respiratory illness, what have you done to reduce risk and improve your health? Share positive results?
[Edited on 8-26-2021 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Nomads as a group, or demographic, must focus on their individual weaknesses or debility which is primarily, obesity, poor nutrition, lack of
exercise, lack of physical and mental activity and too much alcohol, fat, sugar, and poor sleeping habits.
It's easy to be healthy, but, you must focus on yourself, only you have the ability to improve your immune system, through improved personal health.
It's clear there is great delusion among the group that somehow they can be obese, lazy, smoke, drink, avoid exercise and then blame their poor health
on people who go out, socialize and enjoy life? Projection of poor health on others is delusional.
In psychological terms, projection, avoidance, and ignorance sadly, leads to shortened life.
Why not share what you are doing to improve your health? What changes have you made over the last year, what significant adjustments are you doing to
improve prevention of respiratory illness, what have you done to reduce risk and improve your health? Share positive results?
[Edited on 8-26-2021 by gnukid] |
Paul,
Unlike you, most nomads cannot sit around in baja in middle age, not working, spending each sailing and kite boarding, knowing that mom and dad will
leave us our retirement funds! Living life childless and not needing work, most of us don’t have that golden spoon leisure; therefore, many
overweight and stressed out.
Enjoy your pointless leisure, you were born to it!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Goat is delusional
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