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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 09:05 AM


Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  



Well, it looks like the loathsome and despised "guvmit" might have a role to play in this after all.

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Well, it is a government data source, who else would they credit? The point is, industry has been doing the heavy lifting and continues to do so as long as thy have the cash in hand to keep upgrading.
Germany at this point will pay a full 25% of solar energy for residences. Friends over there are certainly taking advantage of it as they are getting beat up at present.

[Edited on 10-24-2022 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 10:07 AM


MTGoat: I too love my induction cooktops for the efficiency improvements they yield. A bit more difficult to get used to especially if you want a slow simmer. I'm sure they too will improve rapidly as they become more of a standard. An analog trim on the temperature setting would be helpful.



A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 10:58 AM


Let’s get back to discussing THE palm tree. Anybody checked in on it since the big hurricane last month? Is it sill standing?



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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 11:19 AM


The most recent observations both on the Pacific Coast palm tree and NASA's water level charts showed the ocean water levels declining at that location relative to the tree. No one seemed to have an answer as to why this particular tree was different than the norm as is the west coast of NA.
Land rising due to plate shifts? A trench opening up in the seabed?

Why did we pick this particular tree in the first place?

[Edited on 10-24-2022 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 01:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Let’s get back to discussing THE palm tree. Anybody checked in on it since the big hurricane last month? Is it sill standing?


This is a current photo. It survived but is noticeably closer to the water. Beach erosion?





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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 01:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Let’s get back to discussing THE palm tree. Anybody checked in on it since the big hurricane last month? Is it sill standing?


This is a current photo. It survived but is noticeably closer to the water. Beach erosion?



Looks like the tree closest to water is dieing and about to fall over, probably due to the sea level being so much higher, eh? Sea level sure looks high in your photo, I don’t think I have ever seen seen it so high!
How long do palm trees live? How many palm trees have lived and died in the period DK and his people have been photographing the trees???




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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 01:53 PM


Photo from this past spring.
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 01:55 PM


Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.





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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 02:08 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.



Agree, but that's why this whole thread is lame. Oceanography experts would laugh at this. I trust the folks at NASA and NOAA a bit more than a retired drip irrigation climate change denier.
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 02:23 PM


You can see the normal high tide line... the two kayaks are there and the beach goes from the slope to level..
It's been there since befire cameras were made!

Here is one from 1953 (Howard Gulick). You will notice the canoe also at the normal high tide line:





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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 03:55 PM


Global Carbon Capture pipeline:
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/global-carbon-c...

This one came online in 2015:
https://www.shell.ca/en_ca/about-us/projects-and-sites/quest...



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A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 04:07 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.



The seaweed shows you where the high comes up. Compare the two photos I posted. It is much closer to the palm tree now.
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 05:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.



The seaweed shows you where the high comes up. Compare the two photos I posted. It is much closer to the palm tree now.


In much of the world people use tide gauges and land survey to established datums to record tide elevations, and temporal records to evaluate sea level change over time :light:
I wonder if such an approach would provide better data than random undated vacation snapshots of trees and wrack lines? :?:




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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 05:36 PM


Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.



The seaweed shows you where the high comes up. Compare the two photos I posted. It is much closer to the palm tree now.


The water could be up to the palm fronds and some of these jokers would still deny that anything of concern was happening.
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[*] posted on 10-24-2022 at 05:36 PM


Unfortunately the ocean front land could be rising (or falling), storms bringing in more sand or eroding the shore, or the seabed declining at the same time. Where we are up here on the fault lines, we are steadily rising as we shift, while the other side of the island is falling. I think satellite measurements are the only way to get an accurate picture of rising global levels. Of course, that doesn't matter much if it's your place being lost to the rising neighbouring waters.
We built 20 meters above high tide to provide long term security from storm surges and water levels rising.




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 10-25-2022 at 09:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by HeyMulegeScott  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Some ppl don't seem to know what tides are.



The seaweed shows you where the high comes up. Compare the two photos I posted. It is much closer to the palm tree now.


High tides change every day of the month. Spring tides generate much higher high tides than neap tides.

Nevertheless that dying tree could be a sign.

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[*] posted on 10-26-2022 at 06:06 AM


Goat,

“News Flash 12,000 B.C.:

Ice age ending sea level expected to rise 150 meters or more!”

Did you miss this? Back then you could walk to Catalina as it wasn’t an island!
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[*] posted on 10-26-2022 at 04:31 PM


Hummer EV costs $81 and takes 1 hr 50 mins to charge from 10% to 90%.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/08/gmc-hummer-ev-costly-on...




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[*] posted on 10-26-2022 at 06:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Hummer EV costs $81 and takes 1 hr 50 mins to charge from 10% to 90%.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/08/gmc-hummer-ev-costly-on...


Not sure what your point is. Isn’t the electricity price (rate) same for Nissan Leaf? Electricity is still cheaper energy than gasoline (esp. if you have solar at home), and most people that buy hummers really don’t care about fuel economy.




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