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Thats great info SF&H: So based on those comparisons, we will be safer from exposure ourselves in BCS than staying here in BC Canada as we are
surging at present while they are declining and the present exposure rates are equal. Being recently fully vaccinated as long as we avoid as much as
possible the highly populated areas we should be fine.
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The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly, particularly for those 75 and older, the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention announced Monday during an advisory panel.
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The key word here is slightly.
Previously estimated at 97% for that age group and the Israeli data is showing 93%
And that abc headline is click bait
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Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization drops, CDC says
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However, the vaccine still remain highly effective at preventing serious illness, according to the briefing
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Here is the presentation from the cdc that abc didn’t even bother to include. You can make up your own mind which headline is right.
| Quote: | | Business Insider Even with the Delta variant, the ability of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent hospitalization hasn't significantly dropped, CDC scientist
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[Edited on 8-31-2021 by Purdyd]
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | Thats great info SF&H: So based on those comparisons, we will be safer from exposure ourselves in BCS than staying here in BC Canada as we are
surging at present while they are declining and the present exposure rates are equal. Being recently fully vaccinated as long as we avoid as much as
possible the highly populated areas we should be fine. |
Who knows about next month? Avoid strangers, especially indoors and when you can't wear a mask. Seems the virus is slowly defeating the vaccines.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd | | The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly, particularly for those 75 and older, the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention announced Monday during an advisory panel. |
That could be due to the time that has passed since they were vaccinated. That group was vaccinated over a year ago. I think I read that the
effectiveness drops with time.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Thats great info SF&H: So based on those comparisons, we will be safer from exposure ourselves in BCS than staying here in BC Canada as we are
surging at present while they are declining and the present exposure rates are equal. Being recently fully vaccinated as long as we avoid as much as
possible the highly populated areas we should be fine. |
Who knows about next month? Avoid strangers, especially indoors and when you can't wear a mask.
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Well, here in our local area we have in the past had extremely low exposure, meaning very few people have developed longer lasting naturally produced
antibodies, and we are now surging with the delta variant to levels above what the other waves were and fatalities are once again rising. I feel far
safer in an area where there has in the past been heavier exposure and declinning, and as I understand it, in BCS they still have significant indoor
mask rules and restricted numbers in stores as well. Our place if we make it there only has 15 to 20 people within 5 km radius at any one time. Seems
like the perfect place to ride out a surge.
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This is but as ebb snd flow in the war as the covid enemy changes we will respond.
And along the way will build up immunity and create better treatments and vaccines.
But bcs right now seems in a good place, with the UW model showing covid infections peaked in June and should continue to decline.
One caveat, the model has not been great at predicting changes.
BCS had good timing with their big push for vaccinations of the elderly occurring right before the surge in infections.
And I believe you are correct, places that have had a big surge in cases and then declined are safer.
Like I said I am optimistic for BCS.
Stay safe and healthy.
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Not sure i am reading the data correctly, but it appears we are declining in cases fairly quickly in Baja last few days. Is activos on this site
active cases?
https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/
I get different numbers for La Paz on every site I go to. I am wondering which site you are using as a source for your spreadsheet, SFandH, so i can
follow La Paz. Is it this one?
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/
even there, I get one set of numbers in English option and another in Spanish
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Charliemanson: I see Cabo current numbers have dropped off very well, but La Paz not so much. Any reason why, or do you think this is just a brief
pause. Numbers don't seem to be updated very frequently. If almost everyone over the approved age range is vaccinated and in addition everyone is
wearing masks, why is it refusing to go down faster? No one from outside our country who isn't double vaccinated is allowed in, is it not the same
there? Oh, and on the mask issue we have people at major stores refusing to allow entry unless you wear one, smaller ones they remind you if you don't
have one on. Our numbers are climbing as well, just not yet as bad as in La Paz, just wondering why.
Ideas?
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Just only reporting on numbers coming through our laboratory. Not sure as we are probably a small sample size as only testing around 30-40 a day and
only around 25% are gringo flyers.
Our lab is not a major Covid tester, by design, and many who use or lab use it because of accuracy and not budget.
Not sure why the spikes in other reports but it is worrisome. I have to tell gringos that I see in El Sargento, not La Paz, to mask up....You can
guess their response. Sad.
Locals were lined up 4 blocks long in El Sargento yesterday and nobody working, just to get the second dose. Nice to see people care and believe in
what is truth and not Cow worms, but hey, cow dewormers are the perfect Tx for those who believe in rightwing propaganda and eventually Darwin will
overcome....we can only hope at his point
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"Mexico’s association of tourism ministers will ask the federal government to implement a policy that requires incoming travelers to present a
COVID-19 vaccination certificate or a negative test result.
Oaxaca Tourism Minister Juan Carlos Rivera Castellanos, who heads up the association, said the proposal will be taken to the Ministry of Foreign
Affairs next week."
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/tourism-ministe...
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | "Mexico’s association of tourism ministers will ask the federal government to implement a policy that requires incoming travelers to present a
COVID-19 vaccination certificate or a negative test result.
Oaxaca Tourism Minister Juan Carlos Rivera Castellanos, who heads up the association, said the proposal will be taken to the Ministry of Foreign
Affairs next week."
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/tourism-ministe... |
Thanks SFandH: Good info for us as we fly out in a week. Already have our vaccination cards and records printed in case they ask.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson |
I find it funny that there are people who are all about trying to find a way of a Covid fix and just don't get the fact all Americans can just get a
shot and we can ALL be done with this problem. Personally, I hope the doubters just try other stuff and get Darwined. Just my opinion.
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You are an evil and spiteful little man. Smdh at wishing ill on others. No wonder you named yourself after a murderer. Pitiful.
Even if you are vaxxed you can still get sick. And doing a monoclonal antibody treatment at the early signs of symptoms may very well be a good idea.
It is important for ppl to be aware of on it here, especially those at risk. That is why we are discussing it.
So pipe down and change your user name. That is my "opinion."
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But not taking up a hospital bed for somebody who really needs it just because you want your “ rights“... It is there right to have access to a
hospital bed that has been taken up by an anti-vaccer and masker“...NO?
You and your pathetic pube views are killing more than my dogs name ever did or for that matter your gun tooting pubes in school shootings in one
day...think if you can, which you don't seem and prove not to be able to.
And I am wishing ill on others? No, just feel it would be best for some to do what they seem best for them, as I believe you call for. Just you quit
sending your malformation to those who can or can't make their own minds up. Go take the meds if you believe in them. Just quit promoting stuff that
does not work to others.
All I am saying, all may end better for others if some were to go out and try the GOP juice as YOU say...How am I bad? not getting it
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By this logic let's keep hospital beds away from obese ppl, smokers, drug users, drinkers, rock climbers, motorcycle riders, and ppl dumb enough to
drive down Hwy 1 in MX.
P.s. why are you named after a murderer? How did you think that it was a good idea to identify with such a sicko?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd |
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The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly, particularly for those 75 and older, the Centers
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Let's not forget that some people were vaccinated more than 7 months ago, particularly those 75 and older as they were one of the priority groups.
Vaccine effect is definitely fading with time.
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While the nomad morbid obsessed pump fear, BCS La Paz and Cabo are officially down to risk level 2.
What will they think of next to scare themselves? Diabetes, Heart disease, Alcoholism, Cancer, Alzheimer?
Could it be obesity? Obesity is the highest risk factor to illness, far exceeding a long list of other factors driving health, covid is not even in
the top twenty risks to health.
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx
Focus on fresh air, exercise, nutrition, sunshine and social interaction which are the primary factors driving health.
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Thanks for that great news! As we had hoped, La Paz continues to rapidly improve.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd |
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The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly, particularly for those 75 and older, the Centers
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Let's not forget that some people were vaccinated more than 7 months ago, particularly those 75 and older as they were one of the priority groups.
Vaccine effect is definitely fading with time. |
Repetitive shots of vaccines are still the best way to reduce the effects of exposure, and those that do recover are showing more long lasting
protection, so we are still on an improving trend. The eventual outcome will be a very high number of people carrying more protective naturally
produced antibodies at which point we will finally be out of this.
[Edited on 9-2-2021 by JDCanuck] Whats more, they are lining up mRNA shots to treat cancer and several other fatal conditions, so it looks like we can
expect what are now called vaccines to be commonly used right across the spectrum of major causes of death.
[Edited on 9-2-2021 by JDCanuck]
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"Repetitive shots of vaccines are still the best way to reduce the effects of exposure, and those that do recover are showing more long lasting
protection"
do you have any DATA supporting this?
don't include things people just SAY
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What is ADE Auto-Immune Dependency Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming in relation to broad use of mRNA gene modification shots, and in how does
repetitive use affect breakthrough viral variants interaction with patients who are vaccinated, repeatedly?
What is a Blackbox label associated to these mRNA gene modification shots noting myocarditis—inflammation of the heart—or
pericarditis—inflammation of the heart’s membrane?
How do the shots increase risk of myocarditis—inflammation of the heart—or pericarditis—inflammation of the heart’s membrane?
Is there any evidence (studies) you can provide showing reduced infection, transmission or reduced effects of exposure?
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/fda-says-label-warning-c...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | "Repetitive shots of vaccines are still the best way to reduce the effects of exposure, and those that do recover are showing more long lasting
protection"
do you have any DATA supporting this?
don't include things people just SAY |
Only the studies done in Israel, England and elsewhere, then repeated by the health authorities we rely on to inform us. Every study I've looked at
produces various alterations of this and to varying degrees. But every study is given to us through what people "say".
I think it's a given that since mRNA development has been so exceedingly profitable to Pfizer and Moderna that the development in this is going to
explode through enhanced research among multiple biotechs.
Heres an article linking to the most recent Israeli study:
https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-coronavirus-vaccine-booster-d...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Unfortunately, the eldest seniors who received the two vaccines about 5 months ago here are now being hit more commonly with Delta and it is
continuing to cause accelerating deaths and severe symptoms in those previously believed to be immune.
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Sorry, I don't understand this. "Previously thought to be immune" by whom? No scientific or medical studies or reports have ever claimed that getting
vaxed,or having had Covid, renders one immune.
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