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JDCanuck
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Unfortunately, the eldest seniors who received the two vaccines about 5 months ago here are now being hit more commonly with Delta and it is
continuing to cause accelerating deaths and severe symptoms in those previously believed to be highly immune. One is a good friend at age 82 and she
is very sick right now altho not yet in the hospital. I hope she is able to access the newer treatments that seem so effective down there. She has
done everything right, but there ya go.
In our health district of 800,000 we had zero deaths for about 6 weeks, then Delta spread rapidly and we have had several in just 1-2 weeks. Went from
41 in 18 months to 48 fatalities, 1 in critical care to 12 in critical care and new cases surged to highest 7 day average in the full 18 months.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan  | "Repetitive shots of vaccines are still the best way to reduce the effects of exposure, and those that do recover are showing more long lasting
protection"
do you have any DATA supporting this?
don't include things people just SAY |
I hope you don't need data supporting the conclusion that vaccine shots reduce the effects of exposure. Or that vaccine protection is fading with time
and thus shots need to be repetitive.
The only thing questionable in this statement is that vaccines are the best way. Getting infected and recover is an alternative, feel free to try.
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| Quote: | Results: Twelve days or more after the booster dose we found an 11.4-fold (95% CI: [10.0, 12.9]) decrease in the relative risk of confirmed
infection, and a >10-fold decrease in the relative risk of severe illness. Under a conservative sensitivity analysis, we find ≈5-fold protection
against confirmed infection.
Conclusions: In conjunction with safety reports, this study demonstrates the effectiveness of a third vaccine dose in both reducing transmission and
severe disease and indicates the great potential of curtailing the Delta variant resurgence by administering booster shots. |
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262679v...
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd | | Quote: | Results: Twelve days or more after the booster dose we found an 11.4-fold (95% CI: [10.0, 12.9]) decrease in the relative risk of confirmed
infection, and a >10-fold decrease in the relative risk of severe illness. Under a conservative sensitivity analysis, we find ≈5-fold protection
against confirmed infection.
Conclusions: In conjunction with safety reports, this study demonstrates the effectiveness of a third vaccine dose in both reducing transmission and
severe disease and indicates the great potential of curtailing the Delta variant resurgence by administering booster shots. |
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262679v...
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"...Yet, confounding biases may still explain part of the observed effectiveness, and these may not disappear over time. "
Selective dates force biases in the study as well as selective demograhic behavioral differences in the two study groups.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd | | Quote: | Results: Twelve days or more after the booster dose we found an 11.4-fold (95% CI: [10.0, 12.9]) decrease in the relative risk of confirmed
infection, and a >10-fold decrease in the relative risk of severe illness. Under a conservative sensitivity analysis, we find ≈5-fold protection
against confirmed infection.
Conclusions: In conjunction with safety reports, this study demonstrates the effectiveness of a third vaccine dose in both reducing transmission and
severe disease and indicates the great potential of curtailing the Delta variant resurgence by administering booster shots. |
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262679v...
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"...Yet, confounding biases may still explain part of the observed effectiveness, and these may not disappear over time. "
Selective dates force biases in the study as well as selective demograhic behavioral differences in the two study groups. |
What gnukid posted is the first sentence of a paragraph on page 8. The remainder of the paragraph and the next paragraph explain the steps taken to
remove these biases from the analysis.
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by SFandH]
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pacificobob
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where would nuboi be without cherry picking?
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SFandH
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Yeah, I removed that statement of the obvious.
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gnukid
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Asking questions is the basis of science. Read the study? Ask questions. Why are continuous shots now recommended over fears of failing
effectiveness?
Why are those double vaccinated twice now officially considered unvaccinated?
Israel is among the most vaccinated countries, yet has among the highest rate of covid infections and reinfections, hospitalizations and deaths now
from variants even though there is no testing nor autopsy to show what is the cause.
Now, Israel says those who were vaccinated twice are no longer protected due to waning effectiveness, and these are now officially considered
"unvaccinated" and need to be given a booster of the same type developed based on a computer model back in 2019?
The study shared earlier says the third shot works because the posted people who had a third shot, albeit conservative seniors who are health minded,
had fewer infections 10 days later than another group who did not get a third shot, which the study itself says is questionable.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262679v...
Israel is the model of vaccination and is demonstrating the vaccines don't work and apparently also are the cause anti-body dependent enhancement auto
immune collapse as predicted as far back as 2012.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/
Why would they recommend another injection of the same thing that previously demonstrated to be infecctive, or perhaps worked for a short time had a
worsening affect then resulted in ADE causing blood clotting disorders such as myocarditis and pericarditis, so much so, that the FDA was forced to
add a BLACK LABEL warning on the injections?
https://healthcareforbes.com/fda-to-add-warning-label-to-pfi...
Even if you accept the argument that these highly vaccinated populations benefited even though the shots don't protect from infection or transmission,
now require regular boosters, because the previously vaccinated are now spiking with illness due to waning effectiveness as a result of ADE, how does
that support or promote taking the first shot?
Note that this is a dialogue occurring in every health department in the world, people are panicking.
Why did two FDA leads resign this week in disagreement with the booster recommendation which is not based in science?
Senior FDA Officials Resign After White House Approves COVID Vaccine Boosters
https://www.iflscience.com/policy/senior-fda-officials-resig...
Two top FDA vaccine regulators RESIGN 'in fury at White House' for 'politicizing' COVID boosters by announcing third shots for all before the agency
gave medical approval
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9947445/Two-FDA-vac...
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Bruce R Leech
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what happened to this spreadsheet
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SFandH
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You'll have to go back a few pages. It was posted on 29 August.
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Ask why RedCross declares Vaccinated may not donate convalescent blood?
Could it be RedCross rejects blood from vaccinated for convalescents because the shot causes clotting as declared in the FDA BlackLabel warning the
shots increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis?
"If you receive any type of COVID vaccine, you are not eligible to donate convalescent plasma with the Red Cross. One of the Red Cross requirements
for plasma from routine blood and platelet donations that test positive for high-levels of antibodies to be used as convalescent plasma is that it
must be from a donor that has not received a COVID-19 vaccine. This is to ensure that antibodies collected from donors have sufficient antibodies
directly related to their immune response to a COVID-19 infection and not just the vaccine, as antibodies from an infection and antibodies from a
vaccine are not the same."
https://www.redcrossblood.org/content/dam/redcrossblood/docs...
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gnukid
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BCS close to Semaforo Verde
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/cerca-del-verde-la-paz-y-los-cabo...
Children may now enter Mercados in Los Cabos
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/ya-no-hay-restricciones-para-que-...
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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What happened to peoples ability to think critically and manage their personal health?
CDC: Evidence effectiveness of shots plummets
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm
Israeli Data Suggests Possible Waning in Effectiveness of Pfizer Vaccine
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-isr...
Read the studies: The shots increase risk of blood clotting while are ineffective to stop infection or transmission, and may or may not be effective
at reducing minor symptoms in symptomatic patients, but even if that it is true it is short-lived, a matter of days or weeks.
While CDC states the shots put people at risk of pathogenic priming, meaning, subsequent viral infections are much higher risk due to immune collapse
form anti-body dependent enhancement, or, cytokine storm syndrome, which increases risks of clotting.
The CV illness is a clotting disease and the shots increase production of the particular spike protein pathogen throughout the body and organs, that
increases risk of clotting, while competing with your immune system, causing auto immune collapse, so you need more shots, more often, forever?
When did people give up on their natural immune ability to interact within bio-diversity to resolve a relatively minor flu-like infection, that %80
percent have no symptoms from and are unaware of, while those who are infected with symptoms recuperate at a higher rate than influenza A or B and
produce successful anti-bodies that are much higher quality and last much longer than those response from the shots?
We are at a precipice of immune collapse among vaccinated.
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by gnukid]
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EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA COVID-19 shots
https://news.yahoo.com/eu-drugs-regulator-looking-possible-1...
EU finds potential link between heart inflammation and mRNA Covid-19 shots
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/eu-finds-potential...
EU reviewing risk of rare inflammation after COVID-19 vaccinations
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
Cause of cardiac arrest for 16-year-old who got Covid-19 vaccine still being investigated
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/cause-of-cardi...
US FDA to add warning about rare heart inflammation to Pfizer, Moderna Covid-19 vaccines
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-fda-to-a...
Japan Moderna Woes Widen
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2317770/japans-moderna-vaccine-...
"TOKYO: Moderna Inc's (MRNA.O) Covid-19 vaccine contamination woes in Japan have widened with another million doses being temporarily suspended, after
foreign substances were found in more batches and two people died following shots from affected lots."
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Alm
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gnukid happened.
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JZ
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About that "follow the science" thing.
2 top FDA officials resigned over the Biden administration's booster-shot plan, saying it insisted on the policy before the agency approved it.
Dr. Marion Gruber, the director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, and her deputy, Dr. Philip Krause to resign.
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned...
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They did not resign. They announced their retirements. Both are leaving after full vesting in their pension program.
They are both old, and need to retire to get over their obsession with office politics.
They are just trumpers looking for 15 minutes of fame prior to their retirement party that is planned for a lunch event room at local Black Angus (all
office staff will bring campfire meal coupons).
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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But sources told Endpoints and Politico that Gruber and Krause were upset with Biden administration's booster-shot plan. The administration announced
last month that most people would be offered a COVID-19 booster shot about eight months after vaccination.
One former senior FDA leader told Endpoints that Gruber and Krause were leaving because they felt that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
was making vaccine decisions that should have been left to the FDA and were upset with Marks, the leader of their division, for not insisting on the
agency's oversight.
The source said the final straw was the Biden administration's announcing the booster-shot plan before the FDA had officially signed off on it.
A former FDA official told Politico that the resignations were tied to anger over the FDA's lack of autonomy in booster planning, while a current
official told the outlet that the pair were leaving over differences with Marks.
When asked about these reports on Tuesday, Jeff Zients, the White House's coronavirus czar, said the decision to start booster shots "was made by and
announced by the nation's leading public-health officials" including the acting FDA commissioner, the CDC director, the surgeon general, the director
of the National Institutes of Health, and others.
"Having reviewed all of the available data, it is in their clinical judgment that it is time to prepare Americans for a booster shot," Zients said.
He said the administration had "also been very clear throughout that this is pending FDA conducting an independent evaluation and CDC's panel of
outside experts issuing a booster dose recommendation."
........I read this whole article twice and still don't see where their resigning was because 'science' was not being followed. Sounds more like their
panties are in a bunch because they were bypassed (oversight, lack of autonomy).
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Disgruntled employees, the rest are gruntled.
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by SFandH]
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You all spin it however you want to feel better.
Bottom line is two senior FDA members resigned because the proper vacine process wasn't being followed.
[Edited on 9-3-2021 by JZ]
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