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QuePasaBaja
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People are victims of crim, because of opprotunity. You give it to them, and they WILL take it.
If you have two locks on your door, lock them both. Lock your windows when you leave, and draw the blinds. The bad guys are waiting for you to be
tired, and think. " I have loved here X years, and never had a problem.
Have a Baja Day
QuePasaBaja
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Toneart...I take your points well and maybe right on target.
"""What is happening lately is that there is a cartel turf war happening. They are asserting themselves and demonstrating that they can't be stopped.
Targeting gringos is a way to make a huge statement: "ruin the tourist economy until they leave us alone.""
I however think there is another more sinister plot unfolding.
At the root is Meth, and possibly survival.
This part of your assessment is not making sense to me:
""Targeting gringos is a way to make a huge statement: "ruin the tourist economy until they leave us alone.""
If you think about it...it is a huge statement, but do you think the military will not respond if they
""ruin the tourist economy until they leave us alone.""
IF we are speculating, I speculate it is Gang bangers from LA/SD either deported or whatever. Just makes more sense to me. A bunch of gang bangers
moving south fits time frame and the fact they could not speak Hispaniola(?) The poor guy in Mulege may not be part of this senerio, because of no
guns, but may have been same bunch not carrying.
Just another point of view...
I hope that DRWnorth has headed NORTH... 
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by Al G] |
Al,
My statement, "ruin the tourist economy until they leave us alone," was a reference to the cartels, not the meth users. I don't think that is the
mission of the meth users. I do think that meth users are committing some of these crimes and I agree that it is desperation and survival.
Yes, I do think the military will eventually intervene. There was a new post today to that effect; the military is intervening in Michoacan. I don't
think they are in Baja yet for that purpose though. Between this issue and the political uprising, maybe the military is mobilizing, thereby not
manning the checkpoints.
I don't think the cartels and cartel wannabes are the same malevolent force as the meth users. They may crossover in some distribution of meth, but as
I understand it, the users are turning up among local populations, just as they do all over the world now. Also, I think the military's target will be
the cartels. It is the cartels that have become armies with heavy weapons. The police are ineffective, afraid and/or involved. The meth users will
fall through the cracks and continue to be a local police matter (such as it is).
I agree with you that some of the violence may be perpetrated by L.A. gang bangers. If we are speculating, they too are trying to move into the cartel
drug wars. Some have been ID'd as such by robbery victims; English sounded like from north of the border; shaved heads; tattoos, etc.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Thanks toneart a very good summary of the situation as it is. I appreciate the clarity. I appreciate DanO for his clarity also. You both think very
well and I appreciate your posts. We are fortunate to have friends like this.
Iflyfishwhennottryingtountiegordianknots |
Thank you, Fly.
Yeah, that DanO is right on!...very clear.
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Baja.Bim
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Violence against Tourists
It does seem that the problem people have the problems.
The negative crowd keeps the black clowd over them and
leaves the rest of us free to enjoy life.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja.Bim
It does seem that the problem people have the problems.
The negative crowd keeps the black clowd over them and
leaves the rest of us free to enjoy life. |
Nice swagger, newby.
Attack on your first post. Is that the way you enter a party? Have you gotten any that way? Did the host or hostess say, "Cool....here's a drink?"
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pargo
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A week late and a buck short but here's my two cents:
The first thread of this post was a guy expressing a thought/question...simple enough you'd think. but true to form, here come the Nomad "sabe todos"
jumping all over a guy with their been there done that, I know more than you, high horsed attitudes. I sense no smugness or arrogance except on the
part of alot of nomads' replies. Violence is not just viloence. It's vilonece against us in a foreign country that we've come to love
enormously....That's scary chit bro's And anyone who wants to share a thought on that should be able to do so without the kind hornets nest effect
that it brings against you. Sometimes you get the feeling you're intruding on this forum. Maybe a good idea is to have a board rule which mandates a
minimum of 20 years Baja experinece before you're allowed to open your mouth on this board.  and finally
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Cypress
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Meth heads think?
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k1w1
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wtf?
| Quote: | Nice swagger, newby.
Attack on your first post. Is that the way you enter a party? Have you gotten any that way? Did the host or hostess say, "Cool....here's a drink?"
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wtf is your problem? is this board just fill of grumpy & old rednecks who reside in Mulege (sp) ??
I mean c'mon ... Mulege is soooo ghetto for christo's sake.
Some of you are just jokers and you should just hurry along & expire already 
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pargo
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klwl
Not in those exact words but my sentiments exactly bro
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Summanus
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snort..puff, puff....OBVIOUSLY a pair of young whipper-snappers.
Listen here, sonny-boy....say, can you help an old codger out of this dang chair?...okay, thanks, ...now...uh...what was I saying again?
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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pargo
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Obviuos to who carnal? I'm fast approaching fiddy years. I am flattered nonetheless!...thanks Some- anus...oops, I mean Summanus
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pargo
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Hey Triple,
You've qouted two persons posts. This is usually followed with a comment from the person who just quoted....Anything?
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tripledigitken
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Pargo,
I posted by misstake before I added text.
My thoughts are what is the rap on Mulege..."soooo ghetto" by k1w1 and supported by you.
Also I'm hearing more elderly bashing again on the board. We went through that awhile back. None of us are getting any younger you know.
Seems to be a lot of cranky posts for the New Year.
Saludos
Ken
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DENNIS
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Grover ----
Sorry but, your list is incomplete. These fine folks you mention all seem to be brown or black. What happened to equality? Where's whitey?
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toneart
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The original topic was "Violence against tourists" as it applies to Baja. I think we have mostly agreed in the past that there is far more violence
north of the border. I don't think we are unnecessarily dwelling on the subject down here but a heads up does help. It reminds people to remain aware.
No need to let it ruin your day (unless it does).
Hurry up and build that border wall and keep the perps outta Baja. All is fine here in Mulege. Oh, and keep those young farts up there too.....just
send us your women.
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DENNIS
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toneart ----------
Right on
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Bajalover
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Wow, a person can get lost trying to understand this thread. Starts with one thing and migrates to ?? who knows where?? Dang! When traveling anywhere
an eye must always be kept open. Besides, if an eye isn't open.....how can you spot the women????? :moon::moon::moon:
Sometimes you really do question; why you are and where you are.
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DENNIS
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Yeah --------
Threads morph. Probably a sign that people get tired of saying and agreeing with the same thing over and over. It's kinda like watching your kids
grow up. Change is expected.
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SDRonni
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/latin_america/jan-june07/mexi...
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Ken Cooke
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Maybe I'll start a business where I just ride around with Baja tourists and stare down the bad guys!!
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