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Yes, I think another way (better?) to phrase it is that the distance from the high tide line must be horizontal (flat), to count. Any advancement on
an incline must be subtracted.
Mas o menos, that's the way it works.
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por supuesto
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Yes, I think another way (better?) to phrase it is that the distance from the high tide line must be horizontal (flat), to count.
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Larry, thanks for clearing up my post -- the guy had a transit, not a transom. That wasn't a tipo, just dumb old me. Actually I think the guy was
using a theodolite (hope that's a telescope, not a religious fanatic).
A. The reason I was interested was that he was a couple hundred meters from the shoreline/marker placement -- the shot he took would just be a wasted
snapshot during the inexorable changing of the water's depth, the adding or subtracting of sandy bottom about 30 feet out from the shoreline.
B. Since our Co op got the shore concession 8 years ago, storms have added almost 200 meter seaward from the markers so while the markers now
indicate where the ejido sold all the inshore land, we have the concession rights to one kilometer of all new beach, new sand. It is the fishing
fleet launch/haul place for this little town so it means everything to us. When they start building the hotel/marinas in November I'll report how it
impacts the zona maritima, our concession, our beach.
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Osprey et al,
Most likely, the surveyor was set up on a previous control point.
He was remeasuring water depth (positive or negative) from the known points that had been checked last time the survey was done.
He would then locate the new high water line and show both in a comparative survey.
Is it possible that the water line moved in enough to put the old high tide line into the water ?
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Nope, just the other way around -- bizzillions of tons of new sand stolen from other beaches or dredged up and moved inshore by winter winds.
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That Mean Old Tide.
The Standard for establishing Boundaries is usually MEAN High tide which is established as an average over a specific 19 year period. A one-time
survey shouldn't establish a new line, but it is Mexico. Who knows what standards they use at any given moment. It is what they say it is.
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I came across this:http://www.profepa.gob.mx/PROFEPA/ComunicacionSocial/BoletinesdeMedios/CP+081-07.htm
bacquito
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OK, But ?
It only states the purpose behind the program which is to identify non-conforming development. Didn't we already know that ?
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Looks like the Mexican government has figured out a way to make money off of landowners as a result of any global warming that increases the level of
the oceans. 
This is just so bogus if there is no publicly codified criteria for defining and determining just what is the limit of the federal zone. IT HAS TO BE
WRITTEN SOMEWHERE........
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So much for drawing lines in the sand eh?
Is this a Mexican sandoff?
Sorry, couldn't stop myself
Iflyfish
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Drawing lines in the sand and Mexican Stand off Rich!
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
This is just so bogus if there is no publicly codified criteria for defining and determining just what is the limit of the federal zone. IT HAS TO BE
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I am more than certain that it is codified quite accurately somewhere. So what? To paraphrase - "all rules/laws are local" 
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that's it... right on the head...
inspectors walk on the beach
look for a high tide mark
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measure....
their word is final
care to argue??? prepare for punishment
moral: build several feet off the federal zone if possible
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I'm thinking that beach erosion comes to play in this issue. One bad storm can
chew up a lot of beach and everything on it. You could call it sea versus
land.  "Castles built on sand will tumble into the sea." Who said that?
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
inspectors walk on the beach
look for a high tide mark
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measure....
their word is final
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Yes, my Mexican friend decided he was going to argue. The markers Profepa were patently wrong. The outcome? 3+ years of arguing, and in the end he had
to take the buildings down anyway. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
This is just so bogus if there is no publicly codified criteria for defining and determining just what is the limit of the federal zone. IT HAS TO BE
WRITTEN SOMEWHERE........ |
I am more than certain that it is codified quite accurately somewhere. So what? To paraphrase - "all rules/laws are local"
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True, and not just in Mexico. As I once was told by a US Customs inspector "I make the rules" when I explained to him what I read on the .gov website.
It had to do with medications I was bringing back to the US.
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"you catch more flies with honey than vinagar"
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But..............
They're also crazy about Scheisse.
Who wants to catch Flies. anyway ?
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How does one get a confirmation of the mean high tide, which is predicated on a 19 year mean, when it appears no historical records exist? Records
for the general area maybe but not for your specific lot?
Can't you just hear someone saying well will get started now and will talk to you in 19 years.
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