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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
The use of the term among expats is what gets to me |
I agree. I cringe when an expat uses the term in front of Mexicans. Although the Mexican can usually maintain a stoic demeanor, the word usually
invokes a small smile or a small frown. That tells you a lot about his heart.
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BajaGringo
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That's it!!!
Now that I know what is secretly in my wife's heart I am getting a divorce.
Man, she really had me fooled...
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Bajahowodd
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Sharkey's would be great for a "meetup"!
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Latino? Chicano? Guero? Gringo? All non-specific |
"Gringo" is purely specific in original intent. A despised foreigner. Original intent hasn't morphed much, if at all.
How about, "Frijolero?" If that's specific, will you tell me why? Is it acceptable? Do you use it? |
Gringo .... Beaner .... who cares ?
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For those who think 'Gringo' is like the N-word
One wouldn't expect a mainline Mexican newspaper to print the N-word in a headline.
"¡El que no brinque es gringo!, grita la afición en la Benito Juárez "
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/12082...
Translation: "Whoever is not jumping for joy is a Gringo! shouts the fans on Benito Juárez"
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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BajaNuts
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"translation: "Whoever is not jumping for joy is a Gringo! shouts the fans on Benito Juárez"
whoever is not jumping for joy is not a Mexican.
That makes sense to me and does not sound insulting, it sounds like national pride.
I thought the term gringo was in reference to FOREIGNERS of any nationality! I don't know where or when it got sucked up to mean people from the USA
and Canada ( notice I didn't say the US or America) but I thought it was in reference to all foreigners.
I think residents of USA and Canada should stop claiming the title of gringo! We're not the only non-Mexicans to visit Mexico (think about that one
with double cadillac margarita under yer belt..:biggrin .
There are slang terms for every culture and why is it non-blacks can't say the "N"-word (which is heard very often spoken by black people but if a
non-black person utters the word, it's jail time....) but we can say Yankee and "cracker" and blacks can say yankee and cracker and noone bats an eye
at those terms?!?
Not even going to get into slang terms for other nationalities.
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Howard
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What is all the fuss about? I named my Yellow Lab Gringo. Gringo, (aka Gringo the Dingo) in the 3 years I have had him he has not mentioned one time
that he is offended. On the other hand, I got mail from offended Dingo’s from down under
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We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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BajaNuts
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WHATINTHEWORLDWEREYOUTHINKINGBYNAMINGALABADINGO?!?!?
That is SO INSULTING! A Lab would NEVER condescend to be a Dingo!
Course, then again.......dingos would probably view labs as pampered snootys.
 love all dogs~~~
[Edited on 8-14-2009 by BajaNuts]
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bajaguy
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Lab Names
Had a lab named Abbie........Abbie Normal
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bajamigo
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Ask a Mexican...
Dear Readers: Few features of this column are more controversial than the Mexican's preference for gabacho rather than gringo to describe gabachos.
Technically, gabacho refers to an inhabitant of the Pyrenees, but it became a Spanish slur for a Frenchman over the centuries. The Royal Academy of
Spanish states gabacho originated from the Provençal word gavach, which means "bad-speaking." (Quick note for amateur etymologists: Don't believe the
2000 collection Chicano Folklore: A Guide to the Folktales, Traditions, Rituals and Religious Practices of Mexican Americans, which states gabacho
comes from an arcane Castilian term meaning "a current of water," or the NTC's Dictionary of Mexican Cultural Code Words edition claiming, "When
Mexican men noted that foreign men often helped their wives in the kitchen, something a Mexican male wouldn't dream of doing, they began calling such
men gabachos or 'aprons.'")
When the French briefly conquered Mexico during the 1860s, the Mexicans correctly ridiculed the occupying army as gabachos; after los franceses left,
the term remained, and Mexicans applied it to their perpetual antagonists: Americans. Nevertheless, many Mexicans grumble that I should call gabachos
gringos since it's the more accurate term for gabachos (funnily, none ever ask I stop slurring our pasty amigos). So why does this Mexican use
gabacho? Besides growing up with the word, it allows Mexicans to smuggle two ethnic slurs in uno handy word—not only are we calling gabachos gringos,
but we're also calling them French. Parlez-vous double insult, cabrones?
[Edited on 8-14-2009 by bajamigo]
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vandenberg
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Bajamigo,
Just because I have to take a bath in #50 suntan lotion before I go in the sun, doesn't give you a right to call me "Pasty"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Bajamigo,
Just because I have to take a bath in #50 suntan lotion before I go in the sun, doesn't give you a right to call me "Pasty"
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"Pasty" translates to "Honky." BEEP BEEP
Gabacho ---Slamacho....I prefer 'Your Excellency" but you don't hear that much anymore. Maybe Howard was right....the world has passed me by.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Howard
What is all the fuss about? I named my Yellow Lab Gringo. Gringo, (aka Gringo the Dingo) in the 3 years I have had him he has not mentioned one time
that he is offended. On the other hand, I got mail from offended Dingo’s from down under
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My yellow lab "Guero" happily comes when I call him too. No offense taken by him unless I'm empty handed.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaGringo
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I will accept that at some point in language history the word "gringo" may have been considered an insult. But like us, time changes and language use
as well.
Many words commonly used in day to day English vernacular now may carry an implied meaning much different than the definition you may find in
Websters. I suppose that may upset the language purists out there but I doubt that even they speak the King's English.
The world evolves and so does language. I care more about what is in a man's heart...
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Bajahowodd
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Did someone say, "honky"?
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Woooosh
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Like "cochino"? My family uses that term all the time. You pick your nose- Cochino, you throw your litter on the ground- Cochino, Guero licks
himself- Cochino. I guess there aren't any unclean chinese to be upset about it. We did have one asian houseguest who wasn't happy about the liberal
usage of it- at our house anyway.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Like "cochino"? My family uses that term all the time. You pick your nose- Cochino, you throw your litter on the ground- Cochino, Guero licks
himself- Cochino. I guess there aren't any unclean chinese to be upset about it. We did have one asian houseguest who wasn't happy about the liberal
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Are the words, Chino and Cochino related? I didn't know that.
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cochino, -a
adjective1. filthy (sucio); bloody (informal) (maldito)
¡está obsesionado con el cochino, -a dinero! -> with him it's always money, money, money! masculine or feminine noun2. pig, (f) sow (animal)
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BajaGringo
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I am not touching that one with a 10 foot chopstick...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Like "cochino"? My family uses that term all the time. You pick your nose- Cochino, you throw your litter on the ground- Cochino, Guero licks
himself- Cochino. I guess there aren't any unclean chinese to be upset about it. We did have one asian houseguest who wasn't happy about the liberal
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Cochino and chino are unrelated words. Cochino literally means "hog" or "pig" and is commonly used as the word for "filthy". Chino=chinese, but is
used to mean any Asian.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Arrowhead... you've got that right.
Dennis.... I'll get back to you. We have "issues"......... just kidding....
Aripes
God bless America
and Baja tambien
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