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Barry A.
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I find this discussion fascinating, and educational.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'll grant that ethanol IS a boondoggle. Using corn just doesn't produce the optimum yield of power. The US ethanol program accomplishes two things.
Number one, it enriches corporate farmers. Number two, it drives up the cost of virtually all comestibles. They are projecting food inflation at
between 4-5% this year. Much of it due to the diversion of corn to fuel.
But to all you shale groupies, do you have any idea how destructive to the environment that process is?
Unless and until folks are willing to do their fair share of conserving, which includes buying into energy efficient transportation technologies,
there is just no way prices are going anywhere but up. |
howODD,
http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/you-could...
here are your tree huggers at work. they don't want the US to be at the front in the next century as it relates to energy self sufficiency. do your
fellow gringo (naturalized, or otherwise!) a favor and stop fighting our efforts to exist in a world where we were born into!
edit: i'm not retired on a pension. i'm still 20 years away form that wet dream. i don't expect to receive social security, so i would expect my
representative government would not want to bury me for being a "bad" american....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
watch until :39 seconds. this is WAR! and it is at our doorstep!
[Edited on 2-26-2011 by woody with a view]
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bajacalifornian
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The post is boringly clear. Mulegemichael will pay for Christmas this year with fuel savings. Those heavily laden with American ways and means are
not expected to grasp what happens in another man's country.
Here in Mexico, students on fixed income know how to order. Fuel jocks working the pumps know how to order. Even aristocrats in Monterrey, N. L.
understand the workings of Mexico, and know how to order.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
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bajalou
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For those of us that don't have your wisdom, please explain to me how a savings can be made if you're using the readings on the pump. I sincerely
would like to know. I've lived in Baja for over 15 years and would welcome a way to save.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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Bajahowodd
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Kinda funny, in a way, Woody. Sound bites and other clips can be used to project any agenda.
My personal feeling is that this nation CAN become energy independent. But there are several obsatacles in the way. Manong the biggest are the big oil
folks.
Ecology freaks may attempt to make stands against certain projects. But, that doesn't mean that they are not for self-sustanence for this country. My
feeling is that just like any other issue, there are better and worse ways to go about achieving the goals.
Gawd. I'm sure there are a large number of folks on this forum that lived through the first oil shock, when cars linned up on odd and even days to buy
fuel.
At the end of the day, after several years of massive sales of small, fuel efficient vehicles, this country reverted to its profligate ways.
Hey! All you folks who NEED to drive gas guzzling vehicles, be they RVs of giant pickups, if you can be cool with the idea that it'll cost you a
hundred bucks or more for a fill up, that will get you a couple of hundred miles, good for you. It's a "free country", do what you wish.
Unless and until folks are willing to do their fair share of conserving, which includes buying into energy efficient transportation technologies,
there is just no way prices are going anywhere but up.
Probably one of the most overriding factor in the Middle East uprising today, is that, while maybe not our actual government, but certainly big oil,
with a tacit approval, has raped these lands of their resources, often at an abhorrent discount.
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woody with a view
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raped, as in payed top dollar to the head of said country. maybe now when head gets removed, the peons will prosper.
not my fault either way, but i suspect when an iron fist in the middle east is removed, chaos will ensue.
at least in my lifetime..... and that is what's important to me.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
No debate..just action. |
Well . . . that's debate-able ! 
Kidding, amigo, but if the BN community is in anyway representative of the larger population . . . EVERYthing is debatable !
That's one of the great reasons WHY we fish ! ! ! Or as my brother, Bruce, who got me started fly fishing when I was a teenager, used to say "Its not
that fishing is so important, its just that everything else is so LESS important."
Bro. Bruce is a wise man 
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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bajacalifornian
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Hey bajalou. The answer lies in archives of the Spanish language, related to a term LST. In a search of PROFECO, LST & fueling in Mexico, the
only clue I have found follows & in no way satisfies either of us:
"The pumps are calibrated by computer, an example you ask 100 or 200 pesos the pump does not give you the amount in LST (you get less).
But as the buckets of Prophethood are 20 LST protects the computer and gives you the exact LST 20 so you always have to be ordered in multiples of 20.
Requests 20, 40, 60 as your tank."
Sorry. Best I can do.
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bajalou
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Thanks for the effort.
No Bad Days
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\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Kinda funny, in a way, Woody. Sound bites and other clips can be used to project any agenda.
My personal feeling is that this nation CAN become energy independent. But there are several obsatacles in the way. Manong the biggest are the big oil
folks.
Ecology freaks may attempt to make stands against certain projects. But, that doesn't mean that they are not for self-sustanence for this country. My
feeling is that just like any other issue, there are better and worse ways to go about achieving the goals.
Gawd. I'm sure there are a large number of folks on this forum that lived through the first oil shock, when cars linned up on odd and even days to buy
fuel.
At the end of the day, after several years of massive sales of small, fuel efficient vehicles, this country reverted to its profligate ways.
Hey! All you folks who NEED to drive gas guzzling vehicles, be they RVs of giant pickups, if you can be cool with the idea that it'll cost you a
hundred bucks or more for a fill up, that will get you a couple of hundred miles, good for you. It's a "free country", do what you wish.
Unless and until folks are willing to do their fair share of conserving, which includes buying into energy efficient transportation technologies,
there is just no way prices are going anywhere but up.
Probably one of the most overriding factor in the Middle East uprising today, is that, while maybe not our actual government, but certainly big oil,
with a tacit approval, has raped these lands of their resources, often at an abhorrent discount. |
Big oil and the power companies will build and own the solar systems and wind farms as they are the only ones with the cash to do it. If they don't do
the start ups then they will buy it from who does start it. Everyone likes to bash the oil companies because when gas goes up you feel it immediately
at the pump. But except for a few times in our North American history (mid-70s, 08 and now) gas prices have remained pretty stable and never did they
reach the cost most other countries pay.
Cars and trucks do get better milage today, especially cars.
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| Quote: | | Big oil and the power companies will build and own the solar systems and wind farms as they are the only ones with the cash to do it.
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Before they do they will have to cut deals with companies like Goldman Sachs who have already acquired most
of the prime locations:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38956835/ns/us_news-environment/
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socialize the risk, privatize the profits
its the american way!
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bajahowodd
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TW:
Cars and trucks do get better milage today, especially cars.
Any idea how much better it could have been by now, if it wasn't for the combination of Big Oil and American drivers' sense of entitlement?
As I mentioned in a prior post, this country moved dramatically toward smaller, more fuel efficient cars when there was a fuel shortage.
Unfortunately, when the crisis eased, so did our resolve.
Anyone who has been to Europe, for example, where fuel prices have historically been high, will have noticed that there is a wide array of very small
cars, along with very efficient public transportation, and inter-city (and country) high speed rail.
I have to believe that we have and are missing a golden opportunity right now, where so many folks are grousing about the debt, while so many folks
are unemployed, or underemployed. Just looking to Ike and the Interstate Highway system began in the 50's. We ought to suck it up, invest as much as
we can, and have a massive project to build efficient rail.
I am constantly reminded on the Los Angeles West side and the traffic gridlock that has persisted for years. They could have built a Wilshire corridor
subway to Santa Monica years ago and be miles ahead! (pun intended)
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I don't disagree with what you say. Our public transportation is not good and mostly from shortsighted politicians. Yes trucks especially could be
better at gas mileage. I think cars are in pretty good shape and are pushing the limit in milage. High gas prices will move people to drive less as in
08 and to buy smaller better mileage vehicles.
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Fill up early in the morning, you'll get a much better deal.
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WOW I never new it could be so complicated to buy gas, I always show them the money or tell em to fill it, it ain't rocket science.
Live Indubiously!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
TW:
Cars and trucks do get better milage today, especially cars.
Any idea how much better it could have been by now, if it wasn't for the combination of Big Oil and American drivers' sense of entitlement?
As I mentioned in a prior post, this country moved dramatically toward smaller, more fuel efficient cars when there was a fuel shortage.
Unfortunately, when the crisis eased, so did our resolve.
Anyone who has been to Europe, for example, where fuel prices have historically been high, will have noticed that there is a wide array of very small
cars, along with very efficient public transportation, and inter-city (and country) high speed rail.
I have to believe that we have and are missing a golden opportunity right now, where so many folks are grousing about the debt, while so many folks
are unemployed, or underemployed. Just looking to Ike and the Interstate Highway system began in the 50's. We ought to suck it up, invest as much as
we can, and have a massive project to build efficient rail.
I am constantly reminded on the Los Angeles West side and the traffic gridlock that has persisted for years. They could have built a Wilshire corridor
subway to Santa Monica years ago and be miles ahead! (pun intended) |
It has always amazed me that my long ago sold 1989 Crysler Le Baron consistantly got 36 to 38 mpg on the road, but nothing I have today can match
that, or even come close. ('97 Camry gets 28 mpg)
Go figure????
Barry
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Bajahowodd
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You sure about that Barry? Did you only drive that Chrylser downhill with a tail wind??
Just sayin'.....http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/5343.shtml
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bajacalifornian
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Results are in. Scores are posted below:
mtgoat666, Bajahowodd, castaway$
-sure is easier to just ask the gas jockey to fill it up.
-I always show them the money or tell em to fill it
-Yep.
You all get pass to the next year. Makes the system work.
mulegemichael Got the essence of a Chicken Dinner, knows his subject well . . .
-lleno con magna...no mas
soulpatch
-get a more accurate volume.
Listened well in class.
-Anyone who thinks there is a magical formula to minimize chances of fraud at a Pemex station is dreaming. In those stations owned and staffed by
honest folks, you'll get an honest pour. In stations that are dishonest...you won't. If offered the chance to compare stations near each other the
one that's busy should be your first and best clue.
Any Baja loving Fhoax out there?
(Similarly in America, different retailers sell similar products at different prices [dishonest, Not a Condemnation post]).
dtutko1 Excellent. One to be underscored.
-a gringo going around the area and buying a metered liter. The results were off as much as 18%.
monoloco
-manage to put 23 liters in a 19 liter container.
The thesis, in 10 words or less.
Cypress
-If you don't like/trust PEMEX just do business with the other guys.
Winner of the Bob Hope traveling trophy.
bajalou
-I've been thinking about this for a couple days and have yet to see how this helps. If you are relying on the pump's measuring system and cost
computation then please show me how it makes a difference on how you order.
Please see monoloco above.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You sure about that Barry? Did you only drive that Chrylser downhill with a tail wind??
Just sayin'.....http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/5343.shtml |
Positive!!!!! I had the 4 dr le Baron for 5 years, it was a 4-banger gas, automatic, and yes, it consistently got 38 mpg on the highway at 65 mph.
Don't care what any body says, or any report on paper, I know what it got, over and over again. If I drove it at 55 it would get 40mpg on a level
freeway (like I-5 thru the central valley). If it had not been so tinny I would have hung onto it. Very noisy car!!!
I have never understood why the newer cars don't do better but I do have bigger engines in them. My '89 Isuzu Trooper (4-banger stickshift) got 26
mpg for a couple of years, and then settled back to average 21 mpg in it's later years. My '94 F-250 stick shift gets a solid 10 mpg, no matter what.
Yikes!!!!!
Barry
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