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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqhar40TVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&...
Lets get the science behind it.
[Edited on 9-22-2012 by deportes]
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Fascinating, thanks!!
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Cisco
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Janene:
Don't recall if I posted this here or not. Last week the Mamaslatinas site had a really good selection of vegetarian Mexican receipes.
Might check them out.
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Slice chayote into 3/16" discs .Arrange on sheet of aluminum foil
Sprinkle grated cheese over the slices. Add minced garlic and diced tomato
Wrap everything in the aluminum foil
Place in deep pan. cover and light off a low fire. Also works great on a barbecue.
The cheese has cholesterol but oh well you can't have everything...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
I went Paleo on May 1st and have lost 50lbs and have maintained that loss. |
WOW....you really have shed some kilos. Lookin' good.
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BajaBlanca
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we have a farmer friend who stated that eating cows is OK since they only eat grass. He says they are vegan. He really isn't wrong.
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Caution with fads and fats
You can be a fat vegan (or vegetarian). Sources of protein for vegans include nuts and seeds and plant-based oils give the food good taste. These food
are nutritious and calorie-dense. There is also good evidence that although we have that nice set of choppers, it is because we are omnivorous by
nature. About 80% of the original human hunter-gather diet was plant-based. And it was gathered by women. Arriba las mujeres! Anyway - it seems that
hunting was arduous, dangerous and often unsuccessful, so folks needed something to last in between. Some think today's generation is are fat because
humans have the capacity to eat as much as possible to store up fat for the times of famine. Humans are pretty adaptable! As for carbohydrate, another
plant-based food source, it is needed along with protein and vegetables. Anyone taller than their grandparents or parents were? It because of access
to more foods of all kinds in quantity.
30 bananas seems absurd unless one is not going to see food again for a while. Everything in moderation.
[Edited on 9-22-2012 by windgrrl]
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Vegetables are what food eats!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
we have a farmer friend who stated that eating cows is OK since they only eat grass. He says they are vegan. He really isn't wrong.
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He's absolutely right! I like pasture raised grass fed beef...what I don't want to eat is feed lot, grain fed, antibiotic and hormone laced inhumanely
killed beef.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
we have a farmer friend who stated that eating cows is OK since they only eat grass. He says they are vegan. He really isn't wrong.
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He's absolutely right! I like pasture raised grass fed beef...what I don't want to eat is feed lot, grain fed, antibiotic and hormone laced inhumanely
killed beef. |
Please describe humane killing.
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BillP
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
we have a farmer friend who stated that eating cows is OK since they only eat grass. He says they are vegan. He really isn't wrong.
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He's absolutely right! I like pasture raised grass fed beef...what I don't want to eat is feed lot, grain fed, antibiotic and hormone laced inhumanely
killed beef. |
Please describe humane killing. |
.357 flat nosed wadcutter point blank to the brain, death is instant. The Hogs get a .38.
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
we have a farmer friend who stated that eating cows is OK since they only eat grass. He says they are vegan. He really isn't wrong.
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He's absolutely right! I like pasture raised grass fed beef...what I don't want to eat is feed lot, grain fed, antibiotic and hormone laced inhumanely
killed beef. |
Please describe humane killing. |
While I certainly respect your position, I am not there and I don't suppose that I could ever describe it in a way that would satisfy you. I can
describe it in a way that satisfies me. I am an omnivore, although meat is a very small part of my diet.
While I have friends who disagree, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with raising animals for food providing that they have a life that is
free of undue confinement and stress and that they are allowed to have a diet that is natural to them.
The killing of beef cattle that I have owned and eaten was done while they were peacefully grazing...one bullet to the back of the head. An instant
death. No fearful stressful trips to a slaughter house.
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Maybe having their throat ripped out by a coyote is more humane.........
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I was a vegetarian for many years and went vegan for a few years and loved it. I had alot of vegan amigos and NONE were overweight...all were the
picture of health and very fit. I really loved eating vegan....lots of grains, nuts, homemade bread, fruit and veggies and of course soy products...I
was homesteading with no stores close by so it was a great way to live....very healthy and I felt fantastic. But I missed fish and seafood too much to
continue for long.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Can you deep fry a banana? Are they good with cheese sauce? |
Fry the macho bananas in lard until they're a nice golden brown. Whip up some gravy with lots of bacon bits just like you would with grits. Pour it
all over the banana slices.
Handy accessories...
Sea salt
Pepper
Onion salt
kechup
A-1 Sauce
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I am currently here in Nicaragua and you pretty much get tostones with every meal.
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I have read this thread with interest. My father was a doctor and he decided that a vegetarian diet was best for us. I was raised a vegetarian and
we did use milk and some eggs. Again it was done for health reasons. He had high cholesterol and he controlled it with diet. It was as much about
what he did eat as it was about what he did not eat. Over time he found certain things that greatly reduced his cholesterol.
I well remember hiking to the bottom of the Grand Canyon where my father had rented a room and purchased some meals. We could have hauled our meals
down in our packs but he wanted to spare us the extra weight. The only option available was a steak. We ate it because after hiking 12 miles we were
hungry and that was all there was to eat.
As a kid, we did use some soy products but most of them have a high fat content so I have learned to cook with out them. Over the years I have cut
out most milk and eggs but they are included in many baked goods so it is hard to completely remove them from your diet.
While in Mexico, we normally cook most of our own meals. It is easy to control what you eat that way. The real issue comes when someone invites you
to eat out. In the past I used to order dishes that included a lot of cheese instead of meat. After doing some research, I feel that fresh fish is
probably better than all that cheese. I have found that if you ask, many places will substitute fish for the cheese in a Chile relleno.
I have found that I can loose weight if I have a salad for one meal per day. If you go light on the dressing, there are not that many calories and it
does work. I happen to prefer salsa as my dressing which has lots of taste and not many calories. It then becomes a type of taco salad where you
control ingredients. Mine normally include avocado, onion, lettuce and sometimes beans. If you want to make it richer, you can put a hand full of
corn chips on the bottom.
A second version of the salad uses cabbage cut up fine, avocado, tomato, cilantro, salt and lime. My wife speaks Spanish and she got this from a cook
in a taco stand in Los Barriles. They were using it as a taco filling but it works as a salad also.
The term Vegan has been used in many ways and trying to define it now is hard. I much prefer to say that I live mostly on a plant based diet. That
cuts the confusion.
I always include the “mostly” because a little ice cream seems to slips in once in a while.
[Edited on 9-23-2012 by wiltonh]
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I am a member of PETA: PEOPLE who EAT TASTY ANIMALS 
Dave
I moved to CO and they made me buy a little rod to make it feel like a real fish
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Produce including vegetable and fruits are much cheaper here in Mexico than in the U.S. and do not have chemicals. If you have ever read a produce
box which has been shipped from anywhere in the world including Mexico and Chile to the U.S. you will find that most contain a wax substance and other
chemicals for preservation; I discovered this when working at SeaWorld in the kitchen and was somewhat shocked although I knew this was the case.
I find recipes on the web rather than in books. Two sites I use often including www.tastespotting.com and www.foodbuzz.com
I make all of my dogs food from scratch (yes they eat meat) and use the web for recipes for them as well. Sometimes I use a human recipe and adjust
it for a dog. Also the meat here is much better as it does not contain the multitude of preservatives and chemicals as in the U.S. The only meat I
buy (for my dogs) in the U.S. is turkey and lamb which are difficult to find at times here in Rosarito and Tijuana.
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then what are those planes that fly over the vegetable fields in Maneadero spraying on the crops?
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Whoa Hoss, serious depressing news for you about chemicals and México.
Unless you are fortunate enough to shop organic tiendas or have a neighbor with an organic garden, most agrarian businesses in México use lots and
lots and lots of insecticides, herbicides and fungicides, some of which are not approved for use in or by the USA or Canada.
Decades ago when the "Mexican farmers cannot afford to use pesticides" story was created, it was somewhat true. Not Any More.
Everything from corn, to mangoes are sprayed, repeatedly during each crop. My mango orchard has to get treated twice with fungicide or I would have
about 3% of the crop and not be able to pay the water never mind the labor to take care of the trees. Next time you pass through an ag area like San
Quintín or Cd. Constitución, look out the side window of your vehicle and you will see trailered plastic reservoirs pulled by tractors, that hold as
much as a thousand gallons of chemical mix.
I suspect many commercial dairies in México use:
Recombinant bovine growth hormone. Monsanto obtained approval to market rBGH (known by the trade name Posilac), and the hormone is shipped to México
by the truck load. It is administered by injection to each cow.
Contrary to what many Americans believe the term organico is known to many Méxicanos. Many shoppers much prefer organic produce and will choose it
over treated produce if they can afford to do so.
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