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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
now thats my idea of fly fishing!
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I left out the tiara, you can add that if you wish.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
okay, so you meet a lady thats, say 20 to 40 years old. you have no idea if she's married or not, how is she addressed?
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Twenty may be close to the line and depend on the individual.....as well as her intentions, but thirty to forty.......Señora. If she feels you should
be corrected, she'll do just that.
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Dennis how all of a sudden are you an expert on Mexican women?? | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by greengoes
When she is casado (married). |
More gender confusion. Better use an "A" at the end of "casada" if it belongs to a she. 
Jes Kiddin'. I'm not the spelling cop around here. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
There are men that age dressed up as women as well, and they like it when the women call them "hermosa", | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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I guess you missed the word generally. Actually, Dennis I have seen professionals address women as "senorita" in middle age, and they quite like it
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Those are men dressed as women. Of course they like it. Their disguise for the day was well appointed. |
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Sex is assigned at birth, doc looks and says "this one is closer to female/male lets call him/her a girl or boy". There are lots of anatomical
anomalies. There are people born with both sets of sex organs and are called Hermaphrodite. There are lots of different anatomical structures as it is
all the same tissue in males and females, just depends upon how it migrates.
Then there are children born who feel they are in the wrong bodies and their sexual identity does not fit their assigned identity as girl/boy. These
folks feel throughout their lives that they are trapped in the wrong body. These folks are called Transexuals.
Gender is a different matter. That has to do with how one identifies themselves. For some men there is a "knowing" that they have a female identity or
Gender with in themselves, at the same time having a male Gender identity. These are heterosexual men who at times dress in female garb consistent
with their female gender identity. These folks have historically been called Transvestite. They are actually better named BiGendered.
There are also gay men who dress in female clothing and these folks refer to themselves as Drag Queens.
It is not easy for most folks to get their heads around these gender differences because most of us are in the dominant sexes and genders and it is
hard to imagine another way of being in the world since or sexual and gender identity are so fundamental to our sense of self.
It is helpful for everyone to understand these differences and to accept that we are indeed a vary diverse organism.
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I think Dennis was implying that most older women resemble men. It's true that post-menopausal women have less estrogen, but still manufacture
testosterone. (Yes, women manufacture 1/10 the amount of testosterone of men) in their bodies.
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The town of Juchitán, Mexico is a role reversal delegación:
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-31/news/mn-49349_1_econo...
http://shop.getty.edu/products/graciela-iturbide-juchitan-97...
http://insidemex.com/people/lifestyle/the-women-juchitan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I think Dennis was implying that most older women resemble men. |
Stop it. 
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Great links Dennis. I really appreciated the third one where the BiGendered invite the writer to their party.
Diversity enriches us, bigotry and ignorance impoverish us.
Social norms powerfully affect how accepting we are of our diversity and this is why there are so many suicides among transgendered youth in the US,
social ostracism and abuse. The more people understand the better off we all become. We need our tribe. This thread is about a cultural ritual that
supports a young person adapting their adult social role in society. Unfortunately this sort of process is not available to many youth who do not fit
the gender stereotypes. It is heartening to read of at least one village in Mexico where the transgendered are given honor and respect.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
It is heartening to read of at least one village in Mexico where the transgendered are given honor and respect.
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I guess they run the place, Rick. It's either their way or the highway.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I think Dennis was implying that most older women resemble men. It's true that post-menopausal women have less estrogen, but still manufacture
testosterone. (Yes, women manufacture 1/10 the amount of testosterone of men) in their bodies. |
Indeed men and women do more and more resemble each other as the hormonal continuum shifts with age and for men decrease in testosterone and therefore
increased ratios of estrogen/testosterone and women who have decreased estrogen and therefore increased testosterone/estrogen ratios. Many people do
not understand the men and women have BOTH male and female hormones and it is the proportions that affect secondary sexual characteristics.
I don't mean to hijack this very interesting and fascinating thread about a very ancient Mexican Cultural tradition, but sex ROLE differentiation
often stimulates thinking about sex and gender. After all this event is a social dramatization of a sexual role differentiation, from girl to
marriageable woman. The dancing with first her father then subsequent male family members and then potential suitors marks this transition from child
to woman to wife/mother.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
It is heartening to read of at least one village in Mexico where the transgendered are given honor and respect.
Iflyfishinaweofourdiversity |
I guess they run the place, Rick. It's either their way or the highway. |
Cooperation is what got us out of the caves Dennis.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
okay, so you meet a lady thats, say 20 to 40 years old. you have no idea if she's married or not, how is she addressed?
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If in doubt, go with señorita, if she isn't, she'll still likely take it as a complement. To err in the other direction can be insulting to some.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
If in doubt, go with señorita, if she isn't, she'll still likely take it as a complement. To err in the other direction can be insulting to some.
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Well....there's always the time honored, "Hey....you."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Well....there's always the time honored, "Hey....you." |
Would that be "hey...tú" or "oiga...usted"?
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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are not the Spanish words for married and handcuffs closely the same?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
are not the Spanish words for married and handcuffs closely the same? |
Close.
Handcuffs====Esposas [wives]
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