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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I think there is an apology in order for calling Kathleen's friends a bunch of frustrated housewife winos, that comment was not necessary. There are
plenty of closet homebody male boozers in Punta Banda as well. I have been a victim of The Wrath if I decide to stick up for my point of view here as
well. If a woman does not go along with the flow, they are singled out to be a victim of derision and/or veiled warnings. I enjoy the postings on
the PBBB and yes I agree with Dennis that more balanced news should be available, but hitting below the belt is not necessary, especially to a woman
from a man. I give Kathleen a lot of credit for getting herself in tip top shape and doing probably what no woman her age in the community has done
by riding in the Rosarito Ensenada bicycle race. On this one fact alone Kathleen deserves a token of respect. It seems to me that if we don't do what
others want sometimes we get a severe tongue lashing. I agree with Shari as this situation is something we can learn from definitely.
[Edited on 10-11-2013 by EnsenadaDr] |
Please don't play the enlightened or holy er than thou crap, you are as highly opinionated as any of us and if one was to venture to the dark side off
topic board they would see you are well versed in insults and vile language.
Poor me ain't workin Doc 
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
That's not my point. If no one was there and if I was a trained medical professional I would go. But someone who hasn't had one iota of medical
background for over 20 years and hears gunshots, why have 2 fatalities instead of one? I understand the logic of the Mexican police being suspicious.
Should we all be lemmings and follow each other off the cliff? What about safety measures? If there are gunshots I don't think you should go out to
the beach period. Leave that responsibility to law enforcement or trained officials. As a medical professional I would not advise anyone untrained
unless it was a dire emergency where no help was available to run out in a potentially fatal environment. I would be putting people in harm's way to
suggest they do what this woman did. She saw someone going for more help, and one fireman was by her side. It's not about having huevos, it's about
knowing your limitations and avoiding a potentially fatal situation. |
Did you even watch her video? She saw
the shooter run away and went to help the victim. I would hope that anyone would do the same thing. For her efforts, in she became a victim of some
very unprofessional police officers, who were obviously not interested in investigating the crime. Once she was in custody, she was denied many of her
basic rights, one of which, the right to contact her consulate, is a violation of article 36 of the Vienna Convention. I think you are very sick to be
blaming the victim here, and being an apologist for a corrupt and unprofessional police department. There was absolutely no excuse for this woman
being treated the way she was. |
What are you talking about? The police arrested the alleged shooter of the Mexican lifeguard who was killed by a Mexican surfer who went by the
nickname "El Acapulco" and was known as a jerk, and bully who often got in augments and fights with others.
The police did their job, while this crazy women was yelling at them and demanding they they go chase the shooter and arrest him.
The police acted like any other police department when confronted by a crazy obvious unbalanced person going off the rails.
At the very least read the facts of the case before making your comments, and I would also suggest watching the women on her own YouTube video for
clues about her mental condition
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http://rosaritoenlanoticia2.blogspot.com/2013/10/asesinan-bo...
http://www.afntijuana.info/seguridad/21716_capturan_asesino_...
From Google translate part of the article:
Francisco Castro Trenti, director of Public Security of Playas de Rosarito, reported that at approximately 8:45 am on Friday, right on the beach and
about five meters from the house where lifeguard was killed after an altercation Tejeda day earlier with a man surfing, who has been identified as
the "Acapulco" by the eyewitnesses.
After a verbal fight, according to the investigation, Sanchez said Tejeda was threatened with death by the surfer, who even followed him in his hour
of food at a restaurant where they continued the fight and insults.
The next day, while some practiced these sports and exercised, "The Acapulco" came to insult the lifeguard was on its route monitoring, and a moment
later pulled a gun that shot straight to Tejeda, who died while being transferred to the hospital.
The police chief stated that municipal units began a search of the culprit through the details of the multiple witnesses who said, helped capture the
man the next day.
He announced that after his arrest, the surfer was made available to the relevant authorities and will be presented today the judge to determine what
follows.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I give Kathleen a lot of credit for getting herself in tip top shape and doing probably what no woman her age in the community has done by riding in
the Rosarito Ensenada bicycle race. |
That's only because she's sixty years younger than her peers in PB.
By the way...it's not a race. It's a "ride."
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EnsenadaDr
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It is all in the context Rat. I don't think you should be threatened if you decide to state your opinion. Dennis has a point and I owned up to that.
I would like to see more realistic news being posted on the PBBB and Dennis tries to do that. We all get angry to a degree. I didn't know you were
a reader of the dark side, BTW. I state my opinion, and I am no longer a member of the Dark Side for the same reason. I stated my opinion and was
crucified for it. So it seems to be a trend on these boards. | Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRat
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I think there is an apology in order for calling Kathleen's friends a bunch of frustrated housewife winos, that comment was not necessary. There are
plenty of closet homebody male boozers in Punta Banda as well. I have been a victim of The Wrath if I decide to stick up for my point of view here as
well. If a woman does not go along with the flow, they are singled out to be a victim of derision and/or veiled warnings. I enjoy the postings on
the PBBB and yes I agree with Dennis that more balanced news should be available, but hitting below the belt is not necessary, especially to a woman
from a man. I give Kathleen a lot of credit for getting herself in tip top shape and doing probably what no woman her age in the community has done
by riding in the Rosarito Ensenada bicycle race. On this one fact alone Kathleen deserves a token of respect. It seems to me that if we don't do what
others want sometimes we get a severe tongue lashing. I agree with Shari as this situation is something we can learn from definitely.
[Edited on 10-11-2013 by EnsenadaDr] |
Please don't play the enlightened or holy er than thou crap, you are as highly opinionated as any of us and if one was to venture to the dark side off
topic board they would see you are well versed in insults and vile language.
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BajaLuna
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It's good to get other's opinions, it allows us to see other perspectives and not be so dug into our own. I understand Doc's point of view and I agree
with some of what she is saying, I can see how the Police might have thought she was involved, although they didn't investigate what her involvement
even was until days later which is just mind-boggling to say the least. And I agree with just about ALL of what monoloco is saying, although I think
her getting hysterical before being arrested, and then her combativeness once she got to the jail did not do her good, but once in jail there was no
excuse for the way she was treated, I mean not being able to call the embassy or a friend that's just wrong and I too feel there is a lot we can learn
from this situation as Shari is saying. I personally probably would have helped the victim without a thought, that would have been my first
inclination but that's just me. After reading these posts I might think twice about doing that now in Mexico. Sad though that as fellow human beings
we might have to think twice of what the negative consequences could be if we did help another fellow human being in Mexico.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by aguachico
Thanks for sharing that. |
Only 4 videos out of the 223 she has posted on Utube. Always in the right place at the right time to see something and claim it as her own story?
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Even if she was combative or interfered with the police, it does not excuse the treatment that she received
in the Rosarito jail. Even the most heinous criminals deserve basic human rights when incarcerated, The fact that she was denied the right to contact
her consulate is particularly disturbing. |
If you Google Life Guard killed at Playas Rosarito you will only find the story on the Fulano Info site, the Maggie's Madness site and the Talk Baja
site. The later has the articles from the local press and they say nothing about n American woman being at the scene or being arrested (which may be
understandable). It also states that he died at the hospital; not on the beach:
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLi...de-muerte.html
Someone named Stacy Taylor also posted this on his blog:
http://stacytaylor.com/category/mar-tejada/
After watching that scene unfold from my 10th floor ivory tower, I wandered down to street level to see what I could find out.
By the time I reached my deck, a small crowd had gathered near a lifeguard tower at the tide line. A red haired woman appeared to be cradling the
head of a man who was lying in the sand.
Bob Durrell
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Ya know Dennis, it's like the lottery.........if you don't play, you can't win.
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Going up against a Mexico police establishment isn't a game, and the winning percentage of lotteries is a scary analogy.
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And if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Doing nothing but posting on the Baja boards does not solve anything......be passive or be agressive |
I can stand plenty of heat and you know it.
What seems futile down here is fighting other people's fights and being left to swing alone in the wind.
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DENNIS
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One more thing........although I believe the vid is credible, we can only accept that on faith and emotion alone. We still don't really know what
went down.
That isn't enough for me to join a million man march to DF.
And..if it is BS, I'd nominate this woman for an academy award.
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willardguy
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so where does gary patton fit into all of this? understandably with all that's transpired gary is on gretchen's back burner, but before all this,
gretchen has seen the photos, was or wasn't it gary?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
so where does gary patton fit into all of this? understandably with all that's transpired gary is on gretchen's back burner, but before all this,
gretchen has seen the photos, was or wasn't it gary? |
It was mentioned she verified his ID with the fotos. Don't know if that's fact either.
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I personally have my doubts. This woman is a sensationalist, she said there was "period blood" on the wall of the jail, come on people, how can you
tell that? Once again how she was treated was not right, but pushing and physically fighting policemen to get into the cell is crazy. She was lucky
she wasn't beat up or shot.
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It's called reaction. People react differently in the heat of the moment. I once went after two guys trying to steal my neighbors car after they broke
his side window. It was after midnight and they took off. Later I thought wow I could have been shot and killed. But at the time I never thought about
my safety. I once jumped into the ocean fully dressed to save a kid that had fallen in from a rock cliff. I just reacted. Turns out he could swim and
was OK, really didn't need my help.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
It's called reaction. People react differently in the heat of the moment. I once went after two guys trying to steal my neighbors car after they broke
his side window. It was after midnight and they took off. Later I thought wow I could have been shot and killed. But at the time I never thought about
my safety. I once jumped into the ocean fully dressed to save a kid that had fallen in from a rock cliff. I just reacted. Turns out he could swim and
was OK, really didn't need my help. |
You can share my foxhole any time.
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Thanks
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
so where does gary patton fit into all of this? understandably with all that's transpired gary is on gretchen's back burner, but before all this,
gretchen has seen the photos, was or wasn't it gary? |
There is a new Nomad member that goes by the handle of Tall Artist, which is Gretchen's artist nickname she calls herself. ( Tall Artist only made one
post)
More than likely it's some ex Nomad member having a little fun, because they saw the same problems with her as I did, and so doubt it's really
Gretchen.
But then again in part III of Gretchen's "Youtube" video she admits she is bi-polar and is off her meds in jail. And this could also explain why she
sees people who aren't really there.
If you watch the YouTube video closely like I have now did. You'll see a few problems with Gretchen's perceptions.
Now I'm not calling BS on Grethen's whole story, but clearly she has a few problems going on, and I believe the Rosarito police acted like any other
police department when confronted with a combative arrested suspect going absolutely nuts, and sometimes that involves ignoring or delaying
Constitutional rights a suspect might be entitled too, that's until at least they calm down and start action like a rational person. Police have ways
of getting around those pesky Constitutional rights, and that includes cops in the USA. ( Now I respect human and Constitutional rights but I also
know how the police operate on both sides of the border)
[Edited on 10-11-2013 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by aguachico
Thanks for sharing that. |
Only 4 videos out of the 223 she has posted on Utube. Always in the right place at the right time to see something and claim it as her own story?
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Maybe she is Maggie?
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The heat of the moment should have nothing to do with it. If someone is attending the wounded especially in a very dangerous situation, and in this
case, someone took off on his moto to get someone else, leave it alone. If there is no one helping, OF COURSE help the guy. But you aren't needed at
this point, period. Just think if Zimmerman had done what the police told him to do after he reported Trayvon. STAY AWAY!! Sometimes the police have
some good ideas.
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EnsenadaDr
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We both have our suspicions as to who Maggie and Greengoes are, and unless they are both willing to meet in a well lighted place and prove who they
are, we will all go on thinking who we know they are. | Quote: | Originally posted by greengoes
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by aguachico
Thanks for sharing that. |
Only 4 videos out of the 223 she has posted on Utube. Always in the right place at the right time to see something and claim it as her own story?
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Maybe she is Maggie? |
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Did I miss the apology part?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
But then again in part III of Gretchen's "Youtube" video she admits she is bi-polar and is off her meds in jail. And this could also explain why she
sees people who aren't really there.
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Bi-Polar isn't delusional, and if she was off meds for three days, she wouldn't be morphing into a rubber-room case. meds take a long time to build
up in the system as well as wear off to a point of personality change.
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