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| Quote: | | Yet, confounding biases may still explain part of the observed effectiveness, and these may not disappear over time. We can put a crude lower bound
on the booster efficacy by looking at time points at which the booster efficacy is not expected to be significant and behavioral differences are
smaller, e.g. days 4-6 after the booster dose, and attributing the whole observed effectiveness to confounding bias. Our sensitivity analysis compared
the cohort of booster-vaccinated individuals 12+ days after receiving the booster dose to the same group at days 4-6, when the booster effect is
expected to be only minimally translated into a reduction in confirmed infections (Figure 2). This analysis yielded an estimate of 4.7-fold (95% CI
[4.0, 5.4]) protection against confirmed infection. Even under this conservative interpretation, the demonstrated protection highlights the important
role that a booster dose could play in mitigating the effects of waning immunity and immune evasion, and in mitigating the spread of VOC such as the
Delta variant. |
In other words authors of this study attempted to address a possible bias issue by using a lower bound to the analysis.
I refer you to slide 3 of this presentation
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
| Quote: | | Policy on booster doses will be coordinated with FDA for regulatory allowance, and ACIP for recommendations for use |
So it is not clear to me what vaccine process is not being followed.
Also the presentation gives an idea why a booster shot is being considered.
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Rosarito Beach - Covid cases begin to decline after 8 consecutive weeks on the rise.
https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/rosarito/Descenso-en-los...
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Actualy, he's probably fortunate to get covid before this fight. Boxing at 49 is really risky. There is nothing to prove anymore.
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Someone I know said he was at a concert here in LA very recently, and took selfies with half the crowd. Supposedly, mild symptoms. Video seems
melodramatic.
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Paul,
Thank you for another daily dose of misinformation!
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In summary the YouTube video is wrong.
But the delta variant has reduced the effectiveness of vaccines at reducing infection.
Booster can restore it temporarily.
Best to wait to get your booster before the next surge. (Same advice I get from my doctor on my flu shot).
I think the timing on the vaccination campaign in bcs was fortuitous as it was just before the latest surge.
But as first article pointed out, hospitalizations and are still down with the vaccine because it is still effective at reducing those after 6 months.
I expect that is why there is still some debate on booster recommendations.
The abstract from the paper. I think it speaks for itself.
| Quote: | | The BNT162b2 vaccine showed high real-life effectiveness both at preventing disease and in reducing viral loads of breakthrough infections, but
coincidental with the rise of the Delta-variant SARS-CoV2, these protective effects have been decreasing, prompting a third, booster, vaccine
inoculation. Here, analyzing viral loads of over 11,000 infections during the current wave in Israel, we find that even though this wave is dominated
by the Delta-variant, breakthrough infections in recently vaccinated patients, still within 2 months post their second vaccine inoculation, do have
lower viral loads compared to unvaccinated patients, with the extent of viral load reduction similar to pre-Delta breakthrough observations. Yet, this
infectiousness protection starts diminishing for patients two months post vaccination and ultimately vanishes for patients 6 months or longer post
vaccination. Encouragingly, we find that this diminishing vaccine effectiveness on breakthrough infection viral loads is restored following the
booster vaccine. These results suggest that the vaccine is initially effective in reducing infectiousness of breakthrough infections even with the
Delta variant, and that while this protectiveness effect declines with time it can be restored, at least temporarily, with a booster vaccine.
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A question I have about the new type of vaccines, is whether frequent booster shots will contribute toward creating resistant strains of the virus?
Over use, and incorrect use of antibiotics lead to creation of "super bugs", and I worry that the same could happen with Covid19.
The issue may have been discussed in one of the many homework assignments Gnukid put forth, but that is more than I want to study! That is not a
criticism, it is just not what I follow this forum for.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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"The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." - Cunningham's Law
This pertains to 2012 SARS coronavirus vaccines. Without context, and as it's now 2021, this appears to most likely be quite irrelevant. I'll assume
you meant well though. 
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  |
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: June 25, 2021
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
"Today, the FDA is announcing revisions to the patient and provider fact sheets for the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines regarding the
suggested increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart)
following vaccination."
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CDC says:
- "Most patients who received care responded well to treatment and rest and quickly felt better."
- "Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve. They should speak with their doctor about return to
exercise or sports."
- "CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older, given the risk of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly
severe complications."
- "Getting vaccinated is the best way to help protect yourself and your family from COVID-19."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...
CNBC reports:
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“The risk of myocarditis and pericarditis appears to be very low given the number of vaccine doses that have been administered,” Janet Woodc-ck,
acting FDA commissioner, said in a statement.
“The benefits of Covid-19 vaccination continue to outweigh the risks, given the risk of Covid-19 diseases and related, potentially severe,
complications,” she said.
The FDA update follows a review and discussion by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
meeting on Wednesday.
There have been more than 1,200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 and under who received the shots, according to presentation
slides from the CDC meeting.
About 300 million shots had been administered as of June 11, according to the CDC. There have been just 12.6 heart inflammation cases per million
doses for both vaccines combined.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-adds-warning-of-rare-hea...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-c...
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"12.6 heart inflammation cases per million doses for both vaccines combined."
"The benefits of Covid-19 vaccination continue to outweigh the risks, given the risk of Covid-19 diseases and related, potentially severe,
complications" - Janet Woodc-ck, acting FDA Commissioner
The following is from Derek Lowe in Feb 2021, four months after the article above was published (and C-19 vaccines had significantly rolled out
further):
- "The SARS experience taught us a lot of extremely useful lessons, as it turned out. SARS-Cov-2 is rather closely related to the 2003 SARS
coronavirus, and if you're going to have a worldwide pandemic, you're far better off with one that's so much like something you've already poured
R|&|D investments into! In this case, the two big take-homes were that coronavirus vaccines could indeed suffer from ADE, and that this seemed to
depend on which protein you chose to base your vaccine around. Specifically, it was the vaccines that targeted the N (nucleoprotein) antigen of the
coronavirus that had ADE problems. That experience was thoroughly taken to heart in the vaccine developments of the last year: no one, to the best of
my knowledge, even bothered to target the SARS-Cov-2 N protein at all, for just this reason.
- "So now the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines have been rolled out in many parts of the world, along with the AstraZeneca/Oxford, Gamaleya, and
CanSino adenovirus vector vaccines. Those look to be joined soon by J&J's adenovirus vector and Novavax's recombinant protein subunit vaccines,
and likely more after that. So here's the key question: did any of these show ADE hints during their development? And are any of them showing signs of
it now? The short answers: they did not. And they are not.; ...and what I'm seeing is not one single case of ADE for any of them. Indeed, as mentioned
above, if something like that had shown up, it would have immediately released a bucket of clin-dev and regulatory sand into the gears of the whole
project."
- "Remember, the bad thing about antibody-dependent enhancement is that it leads to more severe disease when you're exposed again to the pathogen (or
when you're exposed after being vaccinated for it). And we're just not seeing that. At all. We are, and I am very, very happy to be able to say this,
seeing exactly the reverse. Watching the real-world data will alert us to any of the potential mechanisms (antibodies, T-cell effects, etc.) and
nothing is showing up."
- "No sign of ADE during the preclinical animal studies. No sign during the human clinical trials. No sign during the initial vaccine rollouts into
the population. And (so far) no sign of ADE even with the variant strains in different parts of the world. We have things to worry about in this
pandemic, but as far as I can tell today, antibody-dependent enhancement does not seem to be one of them. I understand why people would worry about
it, and want to avoid it. But if you're coming across reports that say that it's a real problem right now and that you should avoid getting vaccinated
because of it, well, I just don't see it. Some of that is well-intentioned caution, and some of it is probably flat-out anti-vaccine scaremongering."
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/antibody-dependent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lowe
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Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines
— Even with new variants, it's unlikely antibody-dependent enhancement will be an issue
by Veronica Hackethal, MD, MSc
March 16, 2021
- "Early in the pandemic, scientists engaged in a flurry of discussions about the best way to construct COVID-19 vaccines to ensure their efficacy and
safety. Some of these discussions centered around antibody-dependent enhancement of immunity (ADE), a potentially deadly immune phenomenon seen with
other viral infections and vaccines. So far, there have been no reports of ADE with COVID-19 vaccines."
- "Scientists say that ADE is pretty much a non-issue with COVID-19 vaccines"
- "Despite hesitancy about the relative newness of mRNA and adenoviral vector vaccines, these vaccines, in fact, have better safety profiles in terms
of ADE than older types of vaccines"
- "The bottom line is that not only is the new technology faster to respond to a new viral pandemic, but so much safer and much more clearly
scientifically designed"
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/9164...
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fwiw... Media Bias Fact Check website says medpage.com rates "very high" for factual reporting:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/medpage-today/
I assume this is well-intentioned caution for posting here. Thank you. 
This appears to only be info on how ACE2 is a means of recognizing the virus, not a health warning for those of us not in the biomed industry, etc.
I'm sure this was well-intentioned too. Thank you again.
Thank you for the information on ADE, ACE2, myocarditis, pericarditis, and the 2012 concerns on pulmonary immunopathology from SARS vaccines at the
time. Seems like much of this may be of little to no immediate concern for those with interests for info along the Baja California peninsula at this
time. I appreciate you limiting any further info on those topics addressed to new news from this date forward. Your kind understanding and cooperation
is greatly appreciated!!
[Edited on 9-7-2021 by BajaNomad]
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The forum thanks you Doug for your well thought out and researched post above.
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It's important that people are aware of auto body dependent enhancement, or pathogenic priming, as well as ACE2 as it related to SARS2 vaccination,
and risks such as myorcarditis, pericarditis noted by FDA.
The studies referenced are just a few as primer references, each person should do their own research and make up their own mind, as well as use more
sources noted in those studies as jump off points.
Be wary of anyone telling you they read the study and you don't need to, or who dismiss a study and say don't mention it again, that type of
dismissive behavior, or fear of awareness, is made by someone who is scared of critical thinking analysis, while attempting to shore up their unique
commitment to their point of view, like an investor trying to convince others to join in a failing investment, or someone who bought some expensive
gear that isn't great but they keep trying to convince people around them it's great.
You see this often now, on BN, regret about vaccination expressed as anger for questioning, aggressive denial of questioning, threatening behavior and
passive aggressive behavior.
Don't be afraid to reference these studies and others, read them, read more sources about antibody dependent enhancement, or pathogenic priming, how
ACE2 plays a part in SARS2 infection, make your own conclusions, make your own decisions.
| Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad | "The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." - Cunningham's Law
This pertains to 2012 SARS coronavirus vaccines. Without context, and as it's now 2021, this appears to most likely be quite irrelevant. I'll assume
you meant well though.
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: June 25, 2021
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
"Today, the FDA is announcing revisions to the patient and provider fact sheets for the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines regarding the
suggested increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart)
following vaccination."
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CDC says:
- "Most patients who received care responded well to treatment and rest and quickly felt better."
- "Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve. They should speak with their doctor about return to
exercise or sports."
- "CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older, given the risk of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly
severe complications."
- "Getting vaccinated is the best way to help protect yourself and your family from COVID-19."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...
CNBC reports:
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“The risk of myocarditis and pericarditis appears to be very low given the number of vaccine doses that have been administered,” Janet Woodc-ck,
acting FDA commissioner, said in a statement.
“The benefits of Covid-19 vaccination continue to outweigh the risks, given the risk of Covid-19 diseases and related, potentially severe,
complications,” she said.
The FDA update follows a review and discussion by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
meeting on Wednesday.
There have been more than 1,200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 and under who received the shots, according to presentation
slides from the CDC meeting.
About 300 million shots had been administered as of June 11, according to the CDC. There have been just 12.6 heart inflammation cases per million
doses for both vaccines combined.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-adds-warning-of-rare-hea...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-c...
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"12.6 heart inflammation cases per million doses for both vaccines combined."
"The benefits of Covid-19 vaccination continue to outweigh the risks, given the risk of Covid-19 diseases and related, potentially severe,
complications" - Janet Woodc-ck, acting FDA Commissioner
The following is from Derek Lowe in Feb 2021, four months after the article above was published (and C-19 vaccines had significantly rolled out
further):
- "The SARS experience taught us a lot of extremely useful lessons, as it turned out. SARS-Cov-2 is rather closely related to the 2003 SARS
coronavirus, and if you're going to have a worldwide pandemic, you're far better off with one that's so much like something you've already poured
R|&|D investments into! In this case, the two big take-homes were that coronavirus vaccines could indeed suffer from ADE, and that this seemed to
depend on which protein you chose to base your vaccine around. Specifically, it was the vaccines that targeted the N (nucleoprotein) antigen of the
coronavirus that had ADE problems. That experience was thoroughly taken to heart in the vaccine developments of the last year: no one, to the best of
my knowledge, even bothered to target the SARS-Cov-2 N protein at all, for just this reason.
- "So now the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines have been rolled out in many parts of the world, along with the AstraZeneca/Oxford, Gamaleya, and
CanSino adenovirus vector vaccines. Those look to be joined soon by J&J's adenovirus vector and Novavax's recombinant protein subunit vaccines,
and likely more after that. So here's the key question: did any of these show ADE hints during their development? And are any of them showing signs of
it now? The short answers: they did not. And they are not.; ...and what I'm seeing is not one single case of ADE for any of them. Indeed, as mentioned
above, if something like that had shown up, it would have immediately released a bucket of clin-dev and regulatory sand into the gears of the whole
project."
- "Remember, the bad thing about antibody-dependent enhancement is that it leads to more severe disease when you're exposed again to the pathogen (or
when you're exposed after being vaccinated for it). And we're just not seeing that. At all. We are, and I am very, very happy to be able to say this,
seeing exactly the reverse. Watching the real-world data will alert us to any of the potential mechanisms (antibodies, T-cell effects, etc.) and
nothing is showing up."
- "No sign of ADE during the preclinical animal studies. No sign during the human clinical trials. No sign during the initial vaccine rollouts into
the population. And (so far) no sign of ADE even with the variant strains in different parts of the world. We have things to worry about in this
pandemic, but as far as I can tell today, antibody-dependent enhancement does not seem to be one of them. I understand why people would worry about
it, and want to avoid it. But if you're coming across reports that say that it's a real problem right now and that you should avoid getting vaccinated
because of it, well, I just don't see it. Some of that is well-intentioned caution, and some of it is probably flat-out anti-vaccine scaremongering."
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/antibody-dependent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lowe
Also...
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Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines
— Even with new variants, it's unlikely antibody-dependent enhancement will be an issue
by Veronica Hackethal, MD, MSc
March 16, 2021
- "Early in the pandemic, scientists engaged in a flurry of discussions about the best way to construct COVID-19 vaccines to ensure their efficacy and
safety. Some of these discussions centered around antibody-dependent enhancement of immunity (ADE), a potentially deadly immune phenomenon seen with
other viral infections and vaccines. So far, there have been no reports of ADE with COVID-19 vaccines."
- "Scientists say that ADE is pretty much a non-issue with COVID-19 vaccines"
- "Despite hesitancy about the relative newness of mRNA and adenoviral vector vaccines, these vaccines, in fact, have better safety profiles in terms
of ADE than older types of vaccines"
- "The bottom line is that not only is the new technology faster to respond to a new viral pandemic, but so much safer and much more clearly
scientifically designed"
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/9164...
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fwiw... Media Bias Fact Check website says medpage.com rates "very high" for factual reporting:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/medpage-today/
I assume this is well-intentioned caution for posting here. Thank you.
This appears to only be info on how ACE2 is a means of recognizing the virus, not a health warning for those of us not in the biomed industry, etc.
I'm sure this was well-intentioned too. Thank you again.
Thank you for the information on ADE, ACE2, myocarditis, pericarditis, and the 2012 concerns on pulmonary immunopathology from SARS vaccines at the
time. Seems like much of this may be of little to no immediate concern for those with interests for info along the Baja California peninsula at this
time. I appreciate you limiting any further info on those topics addressed to new news from this date forward. Your kind understanding and cooperation
is greatly appreciated!!
[Edited on 9-7-2021 by BajaNomad] |
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Newkid,
You post links, not concise, pithy summaries. Learn to read and distill the information, avoid spewing links and titles, no one is enticed to read an
article unless you can communicate a reason.
Here is a concise summary you should be aware of! This will be life saving info for you understand. The only people in ICU from covid are the
unvaccinated. Vaccines save lives.
Your mom, sisters and brother got vaccinated, why don’t you? If Fred were alive, he would have gotten the jab.
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…only 53% of the total US population is fully vaccinated, and just 62% of eligible Americans are, leaving tens of millions very vulnerable.
"Here's the important thing: Everyone that I'm hospitalizing is not vaccinated. We are, by and large across the country, not needing to hospitalize
people that have gotten both doses of the vaccine," Dr. Megan Ranney, professor of emergency medicine and associate dean at Brown University's school
of public health, said.
"This is a disease of the unvaccinated right now." Alabama, Wyoming, Idaho, Mississippi and West Virginia all have less than 40% of their populations
vaccinated, according to the CDC.
Two of those states, Alabama and Mississippi, are also contending with their more than 90% ICU utilization. Georgia, Arkansas, Texas and Florida join
those states in less than 10% ICU capacity, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services.
"The takeaway for everyone is get your shots and certainly wear a mask for that added layer of protection if you're in public indoor spaces right
now," Ranney said.
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Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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It's clear that there are many studies, much medical research that clearly demonstrates that there are no clear one-size-fits-all facts, and when
research is ongoing and Trial studies not concluded, there can be no pronouncements by politicians about what a country should or should not do.
Politicians are grasping at straws - and the foregoing 30 pages of comments are the result. Clear confusion and opposing viewpoints. You all can
comment for another 30 pages, but it won't change the fact that the world needs cohesive leadership - cooperation seems to have stopped with some
countries flailing; until COVID is snuffed out throughout planet Earth, the comments, mandates, confusion, information, statistics without
qualification, will continue. Politics and profit margin cloud the solution.
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I get that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) is the anti vax crusade of the day.
But the vaccine community is aware of this issue. Which is of course why you find so many older papers on this.
But I if it is a problem, it would not be just a problem with vaccines with covid, it would also be a problem for people who had covid (and developed
antibodies) and then caught it again.
| Quote: | | The first reports of ADE came from patients with dengue virus infections. Researchers observed that previous infection with one of the four serotypes
of the virus often worsened the symptoms of the disease if the person had a second infection with a different serotype. This phenomenon caused
problems in the development of vaccines for dengue, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), measles, and some coronaviruses, including severe acute
respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV-1) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-CoV). |
From here which is a good summary article
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-eff...
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SOURCE: Robert Malone, War Room Pandemic, 28 Jul. 2021
DETAILS
Inadequate support: COVID-19 vaccines haven’t shown signs of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) in animal studies or vaccinated people. On the
contrary, evidence indicates that vaccination reduces the risk of infection and the severity of the disease.
Misrepresents source: Fully vaccinated people who become infected tend to carry a lower viral load compared to unvaccinated people. The video
misinterpreted an article by NBC News reporting on new data that is specifically about the Delta variant only. When infected with this variant,
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| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone | | It's clear that there are many studies, much medical research that clearly demonstrates that there are no clear one-size-fits-all facts, and when
research is ongoing and Trial studies not concluded, there can be no pronouncements by politicians about what a country should or should not do.
Politicians are grasping at straws - and the foregoing 30 pages of comments are the result. Clear confusion and opposing viewpoints. You all can
comment for another 30 pages, but it won't change the fact that the world needs cohesive leadership - cooperation seems to have stopped with some
countries flailing; until COVID is snuffed out throughout planet Earth, the comments, mandates, confusion, information, statistics without
qualification, will continue. Politics and profit margin cloud the solution. |
Great post.
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Colds and flu are normal expression of toxin
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9 Sep 2021 - Active Cases in Hospital
Looks like the delta outbreak has peaked and the numbers are going down
Data Sources:
BC - Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de Tijuana -
https://m.facebook.com/CesptOficial/
BCS - https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/
"active cases are those that are two weeks old and can be contagious today. This is known by laboratory tests of people who go to hospitals."
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/2020/04/30/conferencia-30-de-abri...
Note: There's a break in the data between fall 2020 and spring 2021. That's when I'm on the beach on Bahia Concepcion.
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Hopefully this is good news, unless you enjoy the controls.
How long before they 'invent' a new variant to keep this drama going?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Hopefully this is good news, unless you enjoy the controls.
How long before they 'invent' a new variant to keep this drama going? |
Thanks for the laugh You really are something special
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Wow wow ! There are so many controls out there. Wear a mask when necessary. Get a shot so you don't end up in an ICU .
Wow I am so overwhelmed. 
Wake up people if you don't control the first covid of course it's going to change 
I've done my part in protecting those around me.
You want drama David ? Go to visit an ICU and hold someone's hand as they grasp for air before they pass away.
The numbers of the non believers is getting smaller everyday .look at the death rate.
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Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Oh heck, I don't even leave my home anymore! LOL
The sheeple-ness is strong in this group!
I got vaccinated, I wear a mask where asked to, but I am not going to live in fear of getting sick... Getting sick happens. Don't live in fear!
Edit... I just saw this on Facebook:
If the internet was around in the 1950’s we would still be fighting polio.
[Edited on 9-9-2021 by David K]
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