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Hook
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Grover, would you email me this list the next time I decide to vacation inside of a ghetto surrounded by 8 million people? I'm sure I will need
reminding. 
[Edited on 2-24-2007 by Hook]
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Grover, would you email me this list the next time I decide to vacation inside of a ghetto surrounded by 8 million people? I'm sure I will need
reminding.
[Edited on 2-24-2007 by Hook] |
Los Angeles seems to be a destination for vacationing tourists from other states and other countries. Has anyone heard of such a thing? With almost 3
shootings per day, it does seem a bit risky.
Not all the areas listed were "ghettos" (using your term). Also not all of LA is a ghetto. Also, there are not 8 million people in LA city. Maybe 3
million is closer to the mark. Hook, were you stretching to make a point?
The point that could be made is that the level of violence against these people in LA is never given much press - practically none. Compare that to
the worldwide press given to the geezers attacked on a Costa Rica van during a land excursion off a cruise liner.
Example of hyperbole and exaggeration by the press to sell ads and fish wrap?
This Spring break, starting in a few weeks, will witness thousands of American young adults from colleges going to foreign countries to act in all
nature of low class activities all in the name of fun. Here is a prediction...at least one story will appear on this board regarding an unfortunate
situation between a university reveler and the Mexican cops or a major injury or a death will be reported. From now until that date, probably 100
people (real living people) will be shot in LA and hundreds more will be the victims of violent crime and nothing will appear in any major newspapers
or world news systems.
Hook, do you want to place a wager on the possibility?
No hype, just facts.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pargo
A week late and a buck short but here's my two cents:
The first thread of this post was a guy expressing a thought/question...simple enough you'd think. but true to form, here come the Nomad "sabe todos"
jumping all over a guy with their been there done that, I know more than you, high horsed attitudes. I sense no smugness or arrogance except on the
part of alot of nomads' replies. Violence is not just viloence. It's vilonece against us in a foreign country that we've come to love
enormously....That's scary sh-t bro's And anyone who wants to share a thought on that should be able to do so without the kind hornets nest effect
that it brings against you. Sometimes you get the feeling you're intruding on this forum. Maybe a good idea is to have a board rule which mandates a
minimum of 20 years Baja experinece before you're allowed to open your mouth on this board.  and finally |
Bravo Pargo, very accurate response. There are those on the board that act like differing views are only allowed when they differ. If there is a
"cartel" in Baja, it is the opinion cartel.
The topic is violence and understanding its apparent uneven distribution.
By the way, I passed the "minimum requirements" 19 years ago.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Also not all of LA is a ghetto. |
And not all of Baja is LA Cetto 
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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DENNIS
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Yes Pargo---- Bravo...Bravo....................Bravo
And Bravo to you as well, Gull, for pointing this out. Who but you would have the time to dive into the anal's of history to retrieve these gems?
Thank you for your concern.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
And Bravo to you as well, Gull, for pointing this out. Who but you would have the time to dive into the anal's of history to retrieve these gems?
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On more than one occasion I have offered that "reading is fundamental" to various brain bursts that appear on this board. While I admit to being
guilty of over- or under-processing some posts, I have found it is more informative to read the entire string before I consider making additions. It
is rewarding when someone provides a perspective that is unique and likely in the minority.
This string recently resurfaced with some of the normal exchanges of not sticking to the subject (like that is something new) and I just read it from
the beginning.
I have found that there are Nomads who do not write very much, but they read a lot. It is a pleasure when someone recognizes a good post. There are
Nomads who only feel comfortable expressing themselves in this manner on a U2U.
Thank you, Dennis
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Hook
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yes, I was using hyperbole.
And ,yes, many people will be vacationing in the LA area. Which goes to show that you can fool some of the people all of the time, but we alread knew
that.
And yes, I believe there are at least 8 million people surrounding the ghettos that made up the preponderance of shootings that Grover listed,
regardless of where a line is drawn between cities.
What I'd really like to see is the per capita rate of violent crime in Baja as opposed to, say, LA county. But I doubt that RELIABLE figures are
available from Mexico.
I still think Baja is relatively safe, especially if you avoid the TJ-Ensenada corridor.
But it's getting more dangerous. At least the trend is downward in most areas of the US.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I still think Baja is relatively safe, especially if you avoid the TJ-Ensenada corridor.
But it's getting more dangerous. At least the trend is downward in most areas of the US. |
Last time I checked there weren't many options for entering Baja Sur by roads other than something that includes one or both of those cities.
Without the data you want (which you have already decided would be inaccurate) how do you assess that PER CAPITA violence is growing in that area?
The fact is: none of us know!! We are only being fed the HYPE that sells fishwrap in the US and none of that is providing accurate and truthful data.
We can see the population explosion with the massive building projects. It the denominator is getting bigger...
If as you say violent crime in the US is dropping in some cities, it isn't LA. Both the Mayor and the chief of police had to report the cold hard PER
CAPITA facts to the public recently. Wrong trend!!!!
I'll tell you when Baja is most dangerous - Spring Break. You didn't take me up on my prediction...why not?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
".... Who but you would have the time to dive into the anal's of history to retrieve these gems? "
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 Please wash them before sharing!
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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Hook
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Sure, I'll take that bet. But you'll lose because the other incidents of violent death in LA WILL be reported by major new systems. The Times
diligently reports every incident of violent death in it's coverage area. So does the OC Register and they have the whole basin wrapped up with
coverage. IT SELLS PAPERS! So, I dont buy this US coverup theory of yours, to the detriment of Mexico.
If you're talking about simple violent crime then, no, these papers wont report every incident. All instances in Mexico dont get reported either.
We are in agreement that there is no way of knowing the per capita rate of crime in Mexico. I was just stating a desire to know.
And finally, you need to read beyond the political posturing by Villarigosa and Bratton when the cameras are on. They like to hype gang activity
lately, especially racially motivated stuff.
Here is a link showing crime statistics from the LAPDs own site. Violent crime, in fact virtually all forms of crime, went down in 2006. The trend has
continued for several years....in LA and the nation.
http://www.lapdonline.org/crime_maps_and_compstat/content_ba...
Oh yeah......no police beheadings reported in LA either, unlike Rosarito.
But I guess the Times wouldnt report it anyway, huh?
[Edited on 2-27-2007 by Hook]
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AmoPescar
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HOOK...
The San Diego Union Tribune is full of crime stories every day too, and the TV stations also do stories on the crime. It's seems
amazing some days how much crime is reported. And yet, we know that it's not ALL being reported!
Miguelamo
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Hook
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The media LOVES crime and death, AMO. They'll report it every chance they get.
Gawd, just look at this Anna Nicole cluster#$%!
I was a radio reporter for a while and had to make the "blotter" calls to all the local police agencies to see if anything juicy happened. Every day,
without fail.
Heard on the news coming home about this headless, handless, footless corpse found somewhere down by Otay in SD......this outta play well in tomorrow
papers and TV news. 
[Edited on 2-27-2007 by Hook]
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DENNIS
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Jeans ---
I'm glad somebody's paying attention to my sick humor.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Heard on the news coming home about this headless, handless, footless corpse found somewhere down by Otay in SD......
[Edited on 2-27-2007 by Hook] |
Whoever that was, they should have been a cop in LA and it wouldn't happened.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Heard on the news coming home about this headless, handless, footless corpse found somewhere down by Otay in SD......
[Edited on 2-27-2007 by Hook] |
Whoever that was, they should have been a cop in LA and it wouldn't happened. |
This might be an interesting case to follow. Clearly, someone wanted this body to go unidentified for a while. No dental charts, no fingerprints.
Kinda sounds like the work of the cartels.
Gull, no hard feelings here, I hope. We are intelligent persons, discussing things that matter to us, right? Predicting crime trends in Mexico is a
murky science.......I am only playing hunches.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Heard on the news coming home about this headless, handless, footless corpse found somewhere down by Otay in SD......
[Edited on 2-27-2007 by Hook] |
Whoever that was, they should have been a cop in LA and it wouldn't happened. |
Kinda sounds like the work of the cartels.
Gull, no hard feelings here, I hope. We are intelligent persons, discussing things that matter to us, right? |
Can't get offended on this part of the board.
Cartels? Yes, the "opinion cartels" from this board must have off-ed that person over by Otay for using the Tecate-Rosarito 2000 road instead of
enjoying the traffic-filled wonderland of TJ. "Let that be a lesson to all Nomads" is the message. Headless and handless would likely slow down some
of the unwanted differing opinions on the board.
Saludos Hook
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AmoPescar
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Hey Hook...
I'd love to write more, but gotta run. ...On my way to take a Paternity test for A.N.S. ...
Amo 
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by AmoPescar
Hey Hook...
I'd love to write more, but gotta run. ...On my way to take a Paternity test for A.N.S. ...
Amo |
You too, huh? I gave my swab last week.
It's kinda like the lottery........
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by AmoPescar
Hey Hook...
I'd love to write more, but gotta run. ...On my way to take a Paternity test for A.N.S. ...
Amo |
Study hard.
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DENNIS
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Good one Gull
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