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David K
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Thanks for the reply Pam... So, how long before the revolution?
It is the injustice in pay and living standards the gave birth to success by Castro, Mao, Lenin.
Communism is a failed concept. Opportunity available through capitalism is a proven concept, however.
The masses must have an opportunity at making life better for themselves.
[Edited on 4-5-2007 by David K]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks for the reply Pam... So, how long before the revolution?
It is the injustice in pay and living standards the gave birth to success by Castro, Mao, Lenin.
Communism is a failed concept. Opportunity available through capitalism is a proven concept, however.
The masses must have an opportunity at making life better for themselves.
[Edited on 4-5-2007 by David K] |
So, when do you see that coming?
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Crusoe
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David.....With all due respect........I am new to this website. And....I do not understand why you attacked Pam.( this ...How Long Before the
Revlotion?) She lives in Loreto and has a bussiness there and is a very positive contributer to this website just like you.......This thread is about
LBC......Please explain why you attacked Pam and are being so politcal. Castro?? Lenin?? Mao?? ....I personaly feel after spending alot of time in the
area it is a nice place, with alot of very concerned people that would like to see the place not change as much as it has??
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flyfishinPam
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My above responses can be epitomized by the following:
"Sunday, March 18, 2007
The One With The Most Toys Wins"
"The bigger the boys, the bigger the toys. Many things have changed in Loreto over the last year. One that appeals most to me is the increase of nicer
cars, boats, motorcycles, and recreational vehicles ....."
".....My friend Darryl arrived this week from California with some of his toys. ... he shows up with a luxury condo on wheels, complete with garage
that is more comfortable than my current home. As if the leather interior and plasma TV were not enough, there is a hydrolic lift in the back and he
pulls out dirt bikes, ATVs, a home gym, and a steady stream of tools and other equipment. "
"The dune buggy will be particularly fun for the back roads and exploring the endless beaches and wilderness before the new developers put up
fences and access is no longer free and open. This is progress and a natural transition for people to protect their
properties, but in the meantime, we are lucky enough to be here while it is still the Wild Wild West. "
"The bad *ss Harley was of course my favorite and I can not wait to go for a ride. We will definitely be setting a new standard for Loreto!
Darryl is one of us ... the new bred of foreigners in Loreto who want to participate in making this seaside village a prosperous place for
everyone by doing business here and fully integrating into the community. A very classy guy. .."
from the blog that's been the subject of some of this discussion.
http://whereintheworldisnellie.blogspot.com/
This is the way the "new breed of foreign immigrants to Loreto" actually thinks. And the price of tortillas is 10 pesos per kilo, a good part of a
days wage for a local worker. Yes David, if this continues there will be a revolution. Mexico can be one bad-ass place and I will pick up a machete
and fight right with my neighbors and defend them for their right to a dignified life here. You ought to read the history of Mexico sometime, its a
really good read.
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David K
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Crusoe, you are misreading me... Pam is a friend, I did not attack her... See where I thanked her for answering my questions?
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David K
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If anything I am attacking the corrupt system that must change to prevent a revolution. I re-read what I posted and your responce and for the life of
me can't figure how that is against Pam???
Mao, Lenin, Castro were commie dictators who used situations like we see in Loreto/ Mexico to create revolution... Of course it just took out one form
of corruption and replaced it with a far worse one.
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Crusoe
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Sorry David.....I stand corrected.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If anything I am attacking the corrupt system that must change to prevent a revolution. I re-read what I posted and your responce and for the life of
me can't figure how that is against Pam???
Mao, Lenin, Castro were commie dictators who used situations like we see in Loreto/ Mexico to create revolution... Of course it just took out one form
of corruption and replaced it with a far worse one. |
I don't see the problem being a "corrupt system." I see the problem as a small handful of specific individuals...greedy beyond belief, cloaked in
lies, pigs who see nothing here but an opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of a marvelous natural and social environment.
And I for one don't see a web site that glorifies these people as "one of the positive outcomes from the Loreto Bay project," but just more septic
waste draining from that pustulent sore.
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
My above responses can be epitomized by the following:
"Sunday, March 18, 2007
The One With The Most Toys Wins"
"The bigger the boys, the bigger the toys. Many things have changed in Loreto over the last year. One that appeals most to me is the increase of nicer
cars, boats, motorcycles, and recreational vehicles ....."
".....My friend Darryl arrived this week from California with some of his toys. ... he shows up with a luxury condo on wheels, complete with garage
that is more comfortable than my current home. As if the leather interior and plasma TV were not enough, there is a hydrolic lift in the back and he
pulls out dirt bikes, ATVs, a home gym, and a steady stream of tools and other equipment. "
"The dune buggy will be particularly fun for the back roads and exploring the endless beaches and wilderness before the new developers put up
fences and access is no longer free and open. This is progress and a natural transition for people to protect their
properties, but in the meantime, we are lucky enough to be here while it is still the Wild Wild West. "
"The bad *ss Harley was of course my favorite and I can not wait to go for a ride. We will definitely be setting a new standard for Loreto!
Darryl is one of us ... the new bred of foreigners in Loreto who want to participate in making this seaside village a prosperous place for
everyone by doing business here and fully integrating into the community. A very classy guy. .."
from the blog that's been the subject of some of this discussion.
http://whereintheworldisnellie.blogspot.com/
This is the way the "new breed of foreign immigrants to Loreto" actually thinks. And the price of tortillas is 10 pesos per kilo, a good part of a
days wage for a local worker. Yes David, if this continues there will be a revolution. Mexico can be one bad-ass place and I will pick up a machete
and fight right with my neighbors and defend them for their right to a dignified life here. You ought to read the history of Mexico sometime, its a
really good read. |
Pam, I couldn't read the blog-- the pictures are worth thousands of words-- hats off to you for wading through...
When the day comes, I hope to be right out there on front line with you.
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David K
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Well... I think it is corruption because there are laws not being enforced and the Mexican constitution is supposed to be patterned after ours.
However, it is a far different society having been established by Spain with some French involvement than those established by the British.
Former British colonies: U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand...
Former Spanish colonies: Mexico, El Salvador, Chile, Colombia...
Former French colonies: Haiti, Algeria, Chad, Cameroon...
Which group of nations do you feel safer in or have more rights and (legal) opportunity?
[Edited on 9-15-2008 by David K]
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
My above responses can be epitomized by the following:
"Sunday, March 18, 2007
The One With The Most Toys Wins"
"The bigger the boys, the bigger the toys. Many things have changed in Loreto over the last year. One that appeals most to me is the increase of nicer
cars, boats, motorcycles, and recreational vehicles ....."
".....My friend Darryl arrived this week from California with some of his toys. ... he shows up with a luxury condo on wheels, complete with garage
that is more comfortable than my current home. As if the leather interior and plasma TV were not enough, there is a hydrolic lift in the back and he
pulls out dirt bikes, ATVs, a home gym, and a steady stream of tools and other equipment. "
"The dune buggy will be particularly fun for the back roads and exploring the endless beaches and wilderness before the new developers put up
fences and access is no longer free and open. This is progress and a natural transition for people to protect their
properties, but in the meantime, we are lucky enough to be here while it is still the Wild Wild West. "
"The bad *ss Harley was of course my favorite and I can not wait to go for a ride. We will definitely be setting a new standard for Loreto!
Darryl is one of us ... the new bred of foreigners in Loreto who want to participate in making this seaside village a prosperous place for
everyone by doing business here and fully integrating into the community. A very classy guy. .."
from the blog that's been the subject of some of this discussion.
http://whereintheworldisnellie.blogspot.com/
This is the way the "new breed of foreign immigrants to Loreto" actually thinks. And the price of tortillas is 10 pesos per kilo, a good part of a
days wage for a local worker. Yes David, if this continues there will be a revolution. Mexico can be one bad-ass place and I will pick up a machete
and fight right with my neighbors and defend them for their right to a dignified life here. You ought to read the history of Mexico sometime, its a
really good read. |
This is really sick....
I'm out there with Pam and Paula....
[Edited on 4-6-2007 by elizabeth]
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David K
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Yup... agreed... I want it the way it was when I first came to Baja... But, that's not dealing with reality, is it?
Until Mr. Peabody builds a Way Back machine, I will continue to stay away from this 'new' Baja and seek out the places far from pavement where the
ranch people welcome you into their homes without reservation and you are made to feel like family.... and even beyond that to where there are no
people at all. Baja Nomad, all the way!
But, it is fun to join up with others who feel the same way, as well... oncve in a while!
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Former British colonies: U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand...
Former Spanish colonies: Mexico, El Salvador, Chile, Columbia...
Former French colonies: Haiti, Algeria, Chad, Cameroon...
Which group of nations do you feel safer in or have more rights and (legal) opportunity? |
David you forgot to mention quite a few former British colonies in Africa, Central America, the Caribbean the East and the Mid East that didn't work
out so well. They sure cleaned up India too. :
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Skipjack Joe
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Don 't forget South Africa.
And the Israel/Palestine debacle is England's doing.
The English 'successes' were lands that were largely unsettled or had small endemic populations like the Maori natives of New Zealand and the
Aborigines of Australia.
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Recent La Paz newspaper articles:
1. The San Bruno development by a Spanish group will be no less than a 5 billion dollar investment.
2. Fonatur says it is scaling back the Sea of Cortez project from 18 new marinas to 9. Since Puerto Escondido is the keystone they will begin to
develope there the end of 2007 (576 million dollars - 3,200 jobs).
I think marinas in the Loreto area would be less problematic than those on the Pacific or the one they plan to build here in La Ribera. Puerto Los
Cabos (Modelo and Coke $) is still having problems, Santa Rosallilita is inoperable and I believe Puerta La Salina still has to be constantly dredged.
I'm not against the big development here; I'm afraid they will prove to be the "land pimps" they were at Lighthouse Point Estates where 500 lots have
been sold and only 6 or 7 have been built -- THIS OVER 6 YEARS AFTER THE DEVELOPERS PROMISED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS STILL INVISIBLE AT THAT SITE.
These folks are really good sales people but I don't think they have deep pockets and I fear they will build 1/2 a marina, 1/3 a hotel, 1/5th a golf
course and leave the beach in a shambles like/with Fonatur.
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djh
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It is a DISEASE
A diesease that makes blind and deaf those infected. It also weakens the heart and some say even the soul...
It has lead to millions of human deaths.
The disease is highly contagious.... one can be a carrier for years before symptoms occur.
It is called AFFLUENZA!
djh
(sorry about the bold & underline, I only meant to to that to AFFLUENZA.... can't seem to change it.... oh well, you get the idea....)
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
"Sunday, March 18, 2007
The One With The Most Toys Wins"
"The bigger the boys, the bigger the toys. Many things have changed in Loreto over the last year. One that appeals most to me is the increase of nicer
cars, boats, motorcycles, and recreational vehicles ....."
... the new bred of foreigners in Loreto who want to participate in making this seaside village a prosperous place for everyone by doing business
here and fully integrating into the community. A very classy guy. .."
This is the way the "new breed of foreign immigrants to Loreto" actually thinks. And the price of tortillas is 10 pesos per kilo, a good part of a
days wage for a local worker. Yes David, if this continues there will be a revolution. Mexico can be one bad-ass place and I will pick up a machete
and fight right with my neighbors and defend them for their right to a dignified life here. You ought to read the history of Mexico sometime, its a
really good read. |
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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The "Rape of Loreto" by Ugly Americans and Canadians.
How sad to watch it unfold, brought on by being a most Beautifull Place, to become a Ugly Place full of "Big Boys and Their Toys", Druggies, Cheaters!
The "Love of Money", cannot bring Happiness to the Heart, it is done by the feeling of Love and "Self-Worth".
Anon The Preacher
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flyfishinPam
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Hi there, I was a little afraid of what I'd see after writing what I did. Yes I do mean it that I will defend the people as I've set my roots here
after a life of being transient. One thing my Mexican husband made me realize was that if we were to ever re-locate once this place becomes
unbearable, we will never find jobs because of our age (42 and 43). He explained to me that we'd absolutely have to be self employed. After ten
years of being self employed that doesn't bother me anyway as I have lots of talents and skills and so does he. But our neighbors aren't so lucky.
Most don't have beyond a 6th grade education, and even that 6th grade education at the public schools here doesn't amount to much when kids are
admitted one hour late and dismissed two to three hours early every day. Yes there are laws in place already that can put the reins on this whole
issue but the people that have the power to change things...the people... don't know and understand them. It is our job to enlighten them. Print up
the article I posted about three weeks ago in the "Baja News" section about the development to take place here. Maybe if all of us print up a copy
and pass it on, start a discussions with localsa as to what they think. Get them thinking. Here are some sample questions to ask:
If they sell out where will they go? (refers to selling their lands)
If they stay in the Loreto area where do they think that they will they afford to relocate themselves?
If they leave the area where will they go?
How will they make a living?
this doesn't even touch on the water issue.
I was for the development at first, before I knew how grand a scale it was to become and before I really understood the water issue. Nedless to say,
I am very against it now.
I'm really lookng forward to "fishing season" when the tourists that come here are from this planet!
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DAvid K. Sorry took so long to get back to your question as to whether I can get you in for "sushi" at Nellies bar. You bet David. Nellie is
becoming a friend over the past week before she headed to Phoenix several days ago. Love the bar. Great second story overlooking the malecon. She
has several motel rooms also. Don't particularly like the direction her "blog" is going, but I have met her. And she is "sharp" lady. She will be
very successful there. Baja Boss has it all!!!!
Capt George. Give Nellie a chance mia amigo. Meet her, then decide for youself. I can see where some "males" won't like her because she does know
what she's doing, and will succeed at it. But George. Drop by & say hello, and give her a chance. PHil S
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
I was for the development at first, before I knew how grand a scale it was to become and before I really understood the water issue. Nedless to say,
I am very against it now.
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I've been following Loreto Bay since the beginning because I think it's a disaster, both socially and environmentally. I have also followed your
comments. I think it took great courage on your part to change your opinion based upon changes in your knowledge of what was going on. It is also a
big deal for you, with your business, to voice these opinions.
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