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wilderone
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Suggested content: links to the water report, summarizing important statements as lead-in; link to Baja Life article; link to Gringo Gazette article;
reproduce important community news relating to water restrictions. There's a ton of info on how large amounts of nitrogen affect saltwater algae
blooms, deplete oxygen in freshwater estuaries, killing snails and other marine life. Link to other Mexican residential developments that offer more
value and do less harm to the environment because there is an adequate water supply, smaller footprint, is less intrusive and more connected to the
community. First-person interviews from Loreto citizens who have been affected. The LB atty "I lived with the workers" story, prefaced with 3 years
of quoted "promises" about affordable housing and for the workers (which will not be sustainable). The LB Foundation 2006 annual report showing all
the wasted money on US-based entities contrary to the stated purposes. All of the foregoing is simply factual information collected for perusal.
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Cypress
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Loreto is a great place. The development/project south of town? Never been there. No desire to go there.
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Dave
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I smell litigation
| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
I am certainly no fan of LB, but this is going way beyond what this web site is for. I am not going to report this to the moderators, but IMHO, it is
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I wouldn't be surprised if LB attorneys haven't already contacted Doug.
Baja_Girl you could probably sell those domain names for big bucks.
Or trade 'em for a condo. 
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wilderone
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The BS that LB puts out is fraudulent and misleading. Freedom of the press works both ways.
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Minnow
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I have been reminded more than once here that it is not free, and it is not the press. The powers at be will have to sort it out, but thankfully for
once I will not be on the receiving end.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Baja_Girl
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I have certainly been educated about this forum belonging to people - I didn't know that - but that was also the point of using a different domain -
it does mean that there can be a place - completely outside of this forum - that can be used to express opinions - just like the LBC expresses their
opinions about how wonderful they are.
Now, eventually, if this gets started, they won't like the fact that I purchased domain names that they could have purchased all these years, but let
them b-tch andoffer me some money. I'm very familiar with law...I have attorney/friends who would LOVE to take on their challenge to my first
amendment rights. It would be entertaining to them.
In the meantime, if anyone is really interested in doing something, for the sake of those who "own" this forum - please u2u me and let's do this
elsewhere - I do respect the rights of others - I will provide contact info - and if you don't want to help...well, keep in mind that posting here
really doesn't change a thing, does it?
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Baja_Girl
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...lets see what happens...I got the idea when I tried to buy tickets for the Ahmanson Theatre. I ended up on a website for a private ticket
dealer...then I scrolled through and found that the first twenty or so websites that had Ahmanson tickets, theatre, products, etc. in the name...had
no affiliation with the Ahmanson...so, if thats perfectly okay, then...who knows?
It might be fun to get a little publicity at last, its been so lonely as a single working mom, just trying to earn a little living, dive with a few
fishies, trying to do good in the world.
xox
lisa marie
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wilderone
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"...associated with their established company."
But the site content would also be associated with their company. It would simply be additional, truthful information. No slander or libelous
statements -- just the truth, a helpful interpretation of their gobbledygook, and other considerations outside what their publications suggest.
For instance, regarding their "Eco-Safe Pesticides and Fertilizers - We ensure that all pesticides and fertilizers are non-toxic to soil and marine
life." However, they don't address higher nitrogen and phosphorous elements, and salt build-up on the golf courses, which will all undoubtedly enter
the estuary and eventually into the Gulf (how could it not when the estuary will be running through the entire project). Factual information such as
the following, introduce vital considerations that LB is silent on, and have proven to be critical environmental concerns which are now undergoing
clean-up and remediation all over the United States after decades of ignoring the consequences. Just read about the Baltic Sea, and Chesapeake Bay
yourself. In their omissions, LB, paints a false picture of "sustainability" and all-is-well. It is not. The warm waters of the gulf will be
especially significant in the cycle.
"Eutrophication comes from a Greek word meaning nutrients. Highly eutrophic saltwater such as Eel Pond has too many nutrients to sustain a rich
variety of plants and animals. A certain number of nutrients, primarily nitrogen, is needed to help plants grow in a pond, but an excess causes
detrimental algal blooms. The algae then strips the water of oxygen needed for fish and shellfish. Some algae actually form wide, rug-like mats that
suffocate microscopic crustaceans and worms on the muddy bottom.
The pond also gets much warmer than the harbor waters, increasing the growth of algae and decreasing the supply of oxygen.
"End courses have joined with the Environmental Protection Agency and other organizations to limit nitrogen fertilizer runoff into the Peconic Bay
Estuary and its 340 miles of coastline. ... Tristan Gillespie, pollution prevention coordinator for EPA Region 2, said the estuary has undergone
significant development pressure that many believe has led to spikes in brown tides and algae blooms that have had a negative impact on the
shellfishing industry and the overall health of the estuary. The program targeted every sector that contributes nitrogen to the watershed, including
farms, homes, commercial landscapers, marinas, sewage-treatment facilities and golf courses."
"The SeaDwarf Seashore Paspalum, a salt- and drought-tolerant grass used on the course, is an environmentally friendly variety developers say takes up
to 75 percent less nitrogen for fertilization and up to 50 percent less water for irrigation than Bermudagrass. The developers also created a
sanctuary for a nearly two-mile stretch of mangroves, the native Florida trees that are crucial to the area’s saltwater ecosystem. Hammock Bay’s
draining systems are all designed to flow away from the mangroves. In addition, 100 percent of Hammock Bay’s plant life is native to Florida. “We are
fine in normal rainfall seasons when occasional afternoon storms will flush out the soil profile,” Phelps said. “But if you go three months without
rain, which we did in 2002, that salt can build up to toxic levels in a hurry.”
[At LB, however, no such rainfall levels; the plant life is only 1/3 native, thus requiring much more water; at what point in time will the LB
mangroves be doing their filtration job? 15 years? 20 years?.]
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oldhippie
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You probably don't want to use another company's name in a website address. It would be sort of like opening a coffee shop and calling it Starbucks,
sort of. At the least you'd probably get a "lawyer letter" of some sort.
When you register domain names it is best select the anonymous registration option. Perhaps at a small extra charge. Otherwise the personal info you
enter when registering is available to the public. If anonymous, a court order of some type is required for someone to get the info.
To get a new website to pop up first on a search is a complicated task. Google uses many methods for returning a search list but it's original and
still fundamental method is based on citations. In other words a website that a lot of other websites link to gets a high ranking. You can also pay
for special treatment.
I wonder how many websites link to bajanomad. Probably a lot if nothing more for the simple reason it's been around for about 10 years.
This is a good forum to disseminate information. I don't think it's a problem for the owner unless somehow what is writtem costs him money. Can't
imagine that. He's not libel for what others write.
Blogs are the current trend for expressing opinions on the Internet. I'm foggy on this but I think search engines search and index them in a special
way.
I'll start one up and play the editor role. The opinions expressed should be backed up with verifyable facts using hyperlinks to expert articles,
research reports, etc.
The crucial issue is the fullfillment of the water demand using desalination plants. We're talking major machines that consume a lot of power, require
daily supervision, and regular maintenance, and produce copious quantities of a nasty pollutant - the salt and other minerals that are removed.
Eventhough a fancy name "reverse osmosis" is used, they are essentailly filtration plants where the filters are so fine they have to pressurize the
water on the incoming side to push it through the filter.
I'm guessing the cost of water will be 2 or 3 times what it is now and that filtration plant better not stop working.
Authentic Mexican (hardly) sustainable (with a whole lot of money)
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Baja_Girl
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thanks, Larry, that was awesome!
There is no way they would be able to ding me on the "bad faith" element: I'm not interested in selling to LBC, I'm not a competitor, I'm not
interested in making money from the website, not a penny - in fact, I'm thinking of creating a charity and donating anything and everything to the
Loreto Mission, I'm not preventing them from using their choosen website names "www.loretobay.xxx - which they choose - themselves...none of the "bad
faith" factors apply to me...
remember, they have to prove "all elements" to shut me down - geez, I love being a lawyer.
lisa marie
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oldhippie
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check this out
"At the Gaining Ground conference in Victoria last week, developer David Butterfield gave a stirring talk on his Loreto Bay project - a vacation spot
in Baja California. He was rightfully proud of its commitment to sustainability, and also aware of its paradox: most people will fly there, many to
their second homes. By any standard, this is a project available to only a minescule fraction of the world’s population, whose carbon footprint will
be comparatively gigantic."
Beautiful!
http://pricetags.wordpress.com:80/2007/06/14/is-geen-just-th...
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oldhippie
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BTW, that link is to a blog, you can add opinions there.
again
http://pricetags.wordpress.com:80/2007/06/14/is-geen-just-th...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Money buys talent. 
--Larry |
Money buys everything.
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Cypress
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This Loreto Bay project is a good deal for the "more money than sense crowd". Is
there a shuttle service to the shopping centers? Can we help you with your bags?
Jeez!
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oldhippie
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The passenger miles per gallon of an airliner is irrelevant.
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DENNIS
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If I lived in Loreto, I'd be painting my house and keeping the lawn mowed. I'd be mowing around the "For Sale" sign.
This sounds like just one of the beginnings of the end.
We all knew it could come to this.
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oldhippie
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Lencho - Cryptology, eh? I'll let you explain yourself.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja_Girl
thanks, Larry, that was awesome!
There is no way they would be able to ding me on the "bad faith" element: I'm not interested in selling to LBC, I'm not a competitor, I'm not
interested in making money from the website, not a penny - in fact, I'm thinking of creating a charity and donating anything and everything to the
Loreto Mission, I'm not preventing them from using their choosen website names "www.loretobay.xxx - which they choose - themselves...none of the "bad
faith" factors apply to me...
remember, they have to prove "all elements" to shut me down - geez, I love being a lawyer.
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No, they would just have to "determine" that you are acting in bad faith, and reassign the domain to Loreto Bay. This is not a government agency, at
the most you could then sue them in civil court.
http://www.keytlaw.com/urls/acpa.htm
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the defendant's intent to divert consumers from the mark owner's online location to a site accessible under the domain name that could harm the
goodwill represented by the mark, either for commercial gain or with the intent to tarnish or disparage the mark, by creating a likelihood of
confusion as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of the site;
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Seems to me they would AT LEAST have an argument. One that I, for one, would support.
[Edited on 6-15-2007 by Roberto]
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
If I lived in Loreto, I'd be painting my house and keeping the lawn mowed. I'd be mowing around the "For Sale" sign.
This sounds like just one of the beginnings of the end.
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If you live in Loreto, youprobably shouldn't have a lawn to mow.
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oldhippie
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There are 126 active domain names with the phrase loretobay in them. Interesting, the entrepreneurs are on it.
http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=loreto+bay&bc=25...
No here's an enterprising soul, selling soap.
http://www.loretobaysoap.com/
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