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toneart
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Barry A and I are both old dogs, and everybody knows you can't teach old dogs new tricks. Well............I'm going to try:
Barry.......sit! Roll over! Oh, never mind. 
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Barry A.
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Ouch, I hit my head!!! Thanks a lot, Tony.
Barry
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Pescador
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Barry, I want you to know I really appreciate your knowledge and insight. The business of health care has had serious problems with the HMO concept
and it is rapidly dwindling and almost impossible to get people in the marketplace to consider today. But the biggest rift on both sides of the
liberal/conservative split is reality. I personally think that the United States could easily afford to provide basic care to all Citizens (yeah, I
mean legal) but beyond that the individual has to take some responsibility. When you get sick you want the best health care in the world but it is an
individuals responsibility to pay for that freedom. The personwho died in New York was in fact attending a state run facility for people who can not
afford private treatment, and if everyone is angry and irate about the treatment she received, then think about what kind of treatment typically
occurs in State funded facilities. This is really not much different that what I experienced on the Indian Reservations with public health when I
first graduated from College.
We live in Mexico but when my wife started having some problems with high blood pressure and elevated heartbeat, we made a beeline out of there to
get back to the good ol' US of A to get the best medical care available. Anybody that would do anything different has not ever had anything indepth
done at the hospital at Santa Rosalia. Well, it turns out there is no problem with blood pressure and elevated pulse, but they did discover lung
cancer on a CT Scan. In the last two weeks we have had CT scans, PET Scans, MRI's, blood tests, and a host of other things too numerous to mention.
Following this will be intensive chemo and radiation. This all cost a lot of money but I would pay 10 times that amount to have the best care
available in the world.
Now, if I was homeless or broke we could have gone to the emergency room where it is illegal for them to turn you away, and probably could have
found some solution to care which would happen just like it did to my poor broke neighbor who has received very good care for something very similar.
Come to think of it, he did not have to worry about deductible and co-pays and is now receiving chemo and radiation. But you see, it is because I was
able to pay my part that new development and research can take place and maybe a cure can be found for this insidious disease, whereas the public
health approach will do well just to keep its head above water with poor care and unmotivated personell.
So, occasionaly I griped about the premium increases but right now that insurance premium looks like the best bargain in the world.
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Barry A.
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Thanks Pescador, and you make some excellent points.
Your point about the R& by our Pharmas being financed by their profits is
something that has always worried me------if we go National Health Care I am afraid that this revenue will dry up, and thus the R& will slow down-----not good!!! You gotta have profits for R& to occur------incentives, and all that, it seems to me. No money, no new cures.
But I will admit that the present system is not ideal----not sure what IS ideal, tho. But I think it is the "best" in the world probably, taking
everything into consideration.
We are off to play in Lake Tahoe for a week, starting tomorrow.
Barry
edit: I have no idea why "d's" produce those smiley faces----that was not done by me. 
[Edited on 7-7-2008 by Barry A.]
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Cypress
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Pescador,Our prayers are with you and your wife.
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