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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
K-rico, you just gotta stop all that online referencing. We all can custom tailor our sources to fit the need. There are a thousand articles in ALL
camps.
You can't believe half of what you read. Take it from people on the street. Who would know better, some gov't agency?
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I try to find good references. Which of my references do you take issue with? I even try, although not always successfully, to not offend. I could
have made the reference to the anti-legalization reference the first sentence:
"Legalization proponents claim, absurdly, that making illegal drugs legal would not cause more of these substances to be consumed, nor would addiction
increase. "
Instead I picked a paragraph with info that contradicts what most people ABSURDLY think. Oops there I go, confrontational again.
If you chose to believe the absurd, go ahead.
[Edited on 11-21-2008 by k-rico]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Wow. These are very compelling statistics and pretty much what I feared. However, statistics can be manipulated. These are presented by DEA, an
organization whose very existence depends upon the pursuit of drug offenders. Are these stats supported by more independent groups?
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I imagine so because it is illogical that making drugs more available won't increase drug use. Do you want to do the research or should I?
Tell you what, I'll do it right after I get back from the 7-11 with more methamphetamine. That will make things go quicker. I'll get some mild
downers too to take the edge off the crystal high. Better get an 18 pack of Tecate also, it is Friday night afterall.
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| Quote: | | I imagine so because it is illogical that making drugs more available won't increase drug use. |
I'm not sure it is all that illogical. I don't believe that legal drugs will be more "available" than illegal drugs. Illegal drugs are easily
available now. If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal.
carpe diem!
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I've always been fascinated by how people post on this website. It's almost always based upon their feelings about the poster they're responding to
rather than the content. We often argue with people we agree with but don't like. And we seldom disagree with people we like, preferring to just be
silent.
But your last post, K-rico, has made it clear to me why you seem to be the only one that nobody can seem to agree with on this thread.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | | I imagine so because it is illogical that making drugs more available won't increase drug use. |
I'm not sure it is all that illogical. I don't believe that legal drugs will be more "available" than illegal drugs. Illegal drugs are easily
available now. If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
Well, welcome back Mr. (let's legalize drugs) Ken. Do you not think that legalization implies condoning? What would you say to your 18 year old
daughter that's high on drugs when she retorts that it's legal to use them?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I've always been fascinated by how people post on this website. It's almost always based upon their feelings about the poster they're responding to
rather than the content. We often argue with people we agree with but don't like. And we seldom disagree with people we like, preferring to just be
silent.
But your last post, K-rico, has made it clear to me why you seem to be the only one that nobody can seem to agree with on this thread.
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So you all agree that drugs should be legalized??!! Wow, how things have changed. Let's PARTY!
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Well, welcome back Mr. (let's legalize drugs) Ken. Do you not think that legalization implies condoning? What would you say to your 18 year old
daughter that's high on drugs when she retorts that it's legal to use them? |
No, I don't think the fact that something is legal implies condonement. Cigarettes are legal, does society generally condone them? I think not.
Why do you have to be so sarcastic in everything you say?
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
What would you say to your 18 year old daughter that's high on drugs when she retorts that it's legal to use them? |
I would say the same thing that I would tell her if she were high on alcohol...
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Since when has it come to this?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
People will do what they want regardless of law or penalty?
Spoiled children behave this way.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
People will do what they want regardless of law or penalty?
Spoiled children behave this way. |
Do you doubt the veracity of the statement? Or are you just saying it shouldn't be that way?
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
What would you say to your 18 year old daughter that's high on drugs when she retorts that it's legal to use them? |
I would say the same thing that I would tell her if she were high on alcohol... |
Do you drink alcohol? Again, I completely disagree with the notion that alcohol and highly addictive drugs are the same. Would you tell her to use
heroin/meth/coke in moderation?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
People will do what they want regardless of law or penalty?
Spoiled children behave this way. |
If you doubt this is true, try outlawing cigarettes...
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
People will do what they want regardless of law or penalty?
Spoiled children behave this way. |
Do you doubt the veracity of the statement? Or are you just saying it shouldn't be that way? |
Ken, I disagree with your statement. The fact that certain behaviors are illegal certainly keeps many, many people from doing them.
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At 18 years old I don't want her to do drugs, cigarettes or alcohol.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
If an individual wants to do drugs, he/she will do them regardless of whether they are legal or illegal. |
People will do what they want regardless of law or penalty?
Spoiled children behave this way. |
If you doubt this is true, try outlawing cigarettes... |
Making something illegal that is already legal is quite different from making something that is illegal, legal.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Ken, I disagree with your statement. The fact that certain behaviors are illegal certainly keeps many, many people from doing them.
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We have some common ground here k-rico. Certainly laws affect our behavior on most issues. But not on drugs. Every society in history has had its
intoxicants and laws have had little effect on whether they get used or they don't get used. Do you doubt that?
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
At 18 years old I don't want her to do drugs, cigarettes or alcohol. |
Yes but meth/coke/heroin are so much more dangerous. You can't possibly equate them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Ken, I disagree with your statement. The fact that certain behaviors are illegal certainly keeps many, many people from doing them.
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We have some common ground here k-rico. Certainly laws affect our behavior on most issues. But not on drugs. Every society in history has had its
intoxicants and laws have had little effect on whether they get used or they don't get used. Do you doubt that? |
YES I doubt that. More people would use them if they were legal. Did you read the reference I supplied? Give me one reference where drugs were
legalized and there was not an increase in abuse.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Making something illegal that is already legal is quite different from making something that is illegal, legal. |
You might want to check your history book. Many of the drugs "illegal" today were once not only legal but considered a normal part of life...
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