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Iflyfish
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I am off for a few days of fishing on the Columbia River. I will likely be out of contact for a few days. I hope other Nomads will keep this thread
alive. We are making progress and learning and I notice more and more Newbies posting and that is good for all of us. I hope we can stay focused on
the issues here and not let this valuable thread deteriorate into ad hominum attacks and irrelevancies.
Stop the Extortion by Police in Ciudad Constitution!
Iflyfish
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Skeet/Loreto
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Flyfish:
I approve your last Post,
I agree with Baja Okie and the way he responded..
It just seems to me that you and others think that just beacuse you are Americano Tourists that you can change the way a Town in in Baja will change
in hopes of tetting your Dollars.
What I have been trying to say to all of you, you cannot change Mesico to what you think is your right hjust because of your thinking.
A good example is "Why in the Hell can't the Teachers in our Schools use Paddles on the Disrepectful, dumb Kids???
Why can we in the States not stop the Criminal Acts of DOPE??
Why cannot we stop the Traffic Traps at Blithe Az and Esterline TX??
We need to take care of things up here instead of trying to change a Cultural we are visiting as Guest.!!!
My Friends in Constitution have suggested that they are not at all interested in a bunch of American Turist or weather or not they spen any money as
they go through their Town.
They ask me to ask you people? Do they know anything about the Price of Corn???
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longlegsinlapaz
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Skeet, with all due respect....& I do mean that sincerely despite the fact I never got to meet you face-to-face....I do understand & respect
your opinion, or at minimum your right to have your own opinion on the majority of your posts.
What's presently happening in Constitucion is not the piddly little mordita that you knew & accepted. This is blatant extortion on a
large & organized scale, by people with weapons; people most of our generation were taught to respect & go to as a "safe harbor". If
you'll go back & read the recent experiences posted here, most if not all have stated they are going through Constitucion at the pace of a crawl,
stopping at every intersection whether it's got a light or marked with a stop sign.
The reasons being given for the stops are totally bogus & intended to instill fear & extort money from the people stopped. I believe the
current actions of the police in Constitucion are instilling more anger than fear. It has gone way beyond the days of $10-20 pesos for a soda!
Besides, it's one thing to offer someone a propina because they helped you in some way, because they look hot & thirsty, or
simply out of the goodness of your heart. It is a totally different thing to be pulled over with lights and/or siren by the very people we were
taught to look up to & trust, to put our safety & well-being in their hands....when those people abuse their power &
demand large amounts of money for bogus reasons.
It'd be one thing if they were actually writing tickets for real violations, but they aren't writing tickets. They are not trying to uphold the law,
they are blatantly violating the law, they are depriving Constitucion of revenue in the city coffers, they are depriving Hacienda of taxes they'd have
had to otherwise paid on the extra income their pocketing. They are hurting their own people in their own community by diverting monies to their own
pocket, rather than if they were writing tickets & the monies followed whatever the prescribed flow is to benefit all the people of Constitucion.
I respect & applaud your love Baja & its people, I love Baja as well & I respect the fact that it's their country to run according to
their own laws & cultural ways. But please try to understand that the police in Constitucion are currently violating their own laws & they're
no longer even attempting to be subtle about it.
IMHO, you'd be showing more respect & love for the people of Constitucion if you were to try to explain to the "powers-that-be" you've befriended
over the years just how much of a negative impact the actions of a few police officers is having on the entire community & points south.
By the way, my best amigas Mother runs that taco stand & she read this thread....she's flabbergasted at what the police are doing in her former
hometown AND she'd really appreciate it if you'd stick to advertising the tacos rather than big boobs at her Mother's stand!
Edit: rhinintransit Dang!! I was composing & your 9:29 AM post was posted while I was apparently still wordsmithing!
Skeet, Skeet, please try to stay on topic! 
[Edited on 7-8-2010 by longlegsinlapaz]
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | I would like very much to see some of you Cry-Baby Weak-minded,Whimps, start figuting out Solutions to the Problems, instead of spending your time
:Blaming" everyone else for your own Shortcomings!!
Same Ole Skeet! |
Again, Skeet, I don't concur with your assessment here. Given the context of this thread, I would say that iffyfish IS figuring out a solution to the
problem, and most definitely NOT blaming others for any personal shortcomings he may have.
You, on the other hand, seem to have clouded your judgement because of the good treatment you have received in some quarters of CC, giving blanket
immunity to this highly irregular form of extortion going on in your beloved city. An attitude that is contradicted by many of your past posts as a
life-long "law-and-order" kind of guy.
Just for information, I, too, normally view the ocasional mordida as paying the price of admission, as a "tax" to supplement the entirely inadequate
income of the police force in Mexico. But what is happening in CC is way beyond that. If they continue to get away with what is going on now, how long
before they begin practicing that other national sport in Mexico and kidnap a traveler or two for bigger payoffs?
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Dave
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Apparently
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
My Friends in Constitution have suggested that they are not at all interested in a bunch of American Turist or weather or not they spen any money as
they go through their Town.
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The police force didn't get the message.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Off Subject:
Challenge:
I challenge you to attend a 6th or 7th Grade Class in one of the Schools in Constitution then attend the same Grade Class ain any large City in the
States, then come back and report the Truth.
It is unbeleivable what goes on in an Ameican Public School , There are a lot of Dummies setting in class with their Text Machines not learning a
Thing. Just think the few that do pay attention and learn will controll those Dummies doing the Twitter.
Skeet |
No, Skeet, this simply isn't true. I presently have two Mexican step-kids attending schools here in La Paz, so I know what schooling is like down here
(or was your challenge only for schools in CC?).
Furthermore, I also have a daughter who, for the last four years, has alternated on a yearly basis between schooling in La Paz and schooling in the
State of Washington. While I can't speak for what happens in schools in big cities in the U.S., my daughter's experience in Oak Harbor, WA doesn't
support your contention (but they certainly love their uniforms in Mexico, perhaps that is what makes them seem more controlled to you down here?).
She just finished the seventh grade in the U.S.
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DianaT
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Longlegsinlapaz
As usual, your post was well thought out and very right on ---except you have a lot more respect than I do for someone who thinks that everyone who
disagrees with his politics, religion, perceptions about Mexico, etc. is a stupid dirty drug using commie. 
And it is good to remind people who at times make inappropriate remarks regarding locals that many times the locals are aware of the remarks.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Very well stated LonglegsinLapaz.
If some of you may recall several years ago I warned about what would happen when all the things were happening woth the Loreto Bay Villages.
Nobody complained enough to make any changes. Mexico will not change Habits just because a bunch of Tourists complain to the Bureau in La Paz.
Constitution is not a Tourist Town in Baja that depends on Tourists coming through for Dollars.
Their Dollars comes from Hard Work producing Corn!
Their actions may be offensive to the Tourists but it is part of the Culture .
Right or Wrong. Just like Americanos being DOPERS. It is something that is difficult to change.
It appears from the Posts that no one has had to pay any Dollars:: Is that true? Is there anyone who has been stopped and Paid? Or have they been able
to do as Baja Okie related and were let off when they insisted on going to the Station??
I have used the samy thing twice in La Paz. There is a Sgt. on a Motorcycle who stopped me twice and tried to get twenty Dollars from me. I isited on
the last time that he take me to the Scottish Rite Temple, He declined. Now when I see him, he waves and smiles.
How much Money has been spent in Constitution on Police Stops???"
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k-rico
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The Scottish Rite Temple in La Paz? I'll have to remember that.
Freemasons in Mexico?? gnukid, is that true?
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Dave
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Moral dilemma
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their actions may be offensive to the Tourists but it is part of the Culture .
Right or Wrong. |
Right or wrong. Gee, that's a tough question. What would someone with honesty and integrity say?
Or would that be 'none of their business'?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
The Scottish Rite Temple in La Paz? I'll have to remember that.
Freemasons in Mexico?? gnukid, is that true? |
OK....I'm not Gnu, but here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Mexico
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KASHEYDOG
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Mood: SO MANY TACOS, SO LITTLE TIME... Gotta Go, See ya there.... 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
For those who enjoy good food, at the second light right down down there is a good Taco Stand, alled Tonys that has some very good Fish Tacos.
Also a trip over to the Public Market is interesting. Lots of small shops around the Square with lots of different things..
As you get through the Main street, on the right is a Bancomer and across the street is another Great Taco Stand operated by two women and one of the
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Hey Skeet!!!!! Me and Dennis are still waiting for those pictures of that great set of "tacos" or as Dennis said "humongous hooters" 
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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tfinbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I have used the samy thing twice in La Paz. There is a Sgt. on a Motorcycle who stopped me twice and tried to get twenty Dollars from me. I isited on
the last time that he take me to the Scottish Rite Temple, He declined. Now when I see him, he waves and smiles.
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Skeet,
I know what Scottish Right Freemasonry is, but what you said in the context of the traffic stop went right over my head. At the risk of appearing as a
dummy, can you please explain it so I can understand?
Thank you.
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DENNIS
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Yeah, Skeeter. I'm gonna hold a vigil in front of this monitor until you kick down some photos of Elsie The Cow making tacos. 
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wessongroup
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Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bajamatic;
Yes I have been some time in my Life.
Most of us have been Idots at times, just a few will admit it.
Now if you are DOPER, COMMIE,SOCIALIST, that is a different Story.
Back to the Subject next Post Please.
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kaybaj
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wait what was the Subject again? boobs or Bribes?
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Dave
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What time is it?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Most of us have been Idots at times |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kaybaj
wait what was the Subject again? boobs or Bribes? |
The mindless chatter gets tiresome.
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Skeet/Loreto
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tinfin:
The first time I was stopped by the Sgt. I insisted that we go to the Judge. He declined. as he started back to his Bike I followed and gave him a $5
Bill and suggested he go to Lunch He declined. . The next time I was stopped by him I was near the Plaza and was looking at the Scottish Rite Temple.
I knew the current Head, so I mentioned to the Sgt. that I would like to go by and ask him to go along to see the Judge.
Masonry is very active in Baja Sur. Many of the State and Local Leaders are members of the Temple. I think the Sgt. may have been a little scared of
some one at the Temple. Of the 38 years visiting and living and working{owned Rancho Sonrisa S>A de CV} in Baj I have only paid Mordida 2 times,
both in TJ when I was in fact Speeding.
I think that if the Truth comes out we shall fine that on 95 % of the Stops in Constitution the Tourist were going more than the Post Speed Limit.
I will also agree that the signs posted at 30kph are not observed by most drivers and Yes they are used to stop Tourists going through .
I think that many Americanos think that they can do what they feel Like with out any repercussions.
It will be interesting to see just how much money has been spend on the /speeders.
Skeet/Loreto
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