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Bill Collector
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This wasn’t a random robbery. Woody and Donna new one of the guys, the guy had done work at their house in the past. The guy wanted them to know he
had been there in the house in the past.. This wasn’t someone on the beach, this wasn't someone just going through town, this was a local.
Woody and Donna are doing OK, both are very upset but doing fine. They have all their friends here to help in anything they might need.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
This wasn’t a random robbery. Woody and Donna new one of the guys, the guy had done work at their house in the past. The guy wanted them to know he
had been there in the house in the past.. This wasn’t someone on the beach, this wasn't someone just going through town, this was a local.
Woody and Donna are doing OK, both are very upset but doing fine. They have all their friends here to help in anything they might need.
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Why did... "The guy wanted them to know he had been there in the house in the past.."?
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Bill Collector
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Not sure why the guy wanted them to know that. He mentioned he had been there before doing work. YES, they both remembered him
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lachicana
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did they go to the Policia Minestario? Policia Ministerio in Santiago is probably where they need to go to report this. Especially if he is a local.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
Not sure why the guy wanted them to know that. He mentioned he had been there before doing work. YES, they both remembered him
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That seems dumb! Didn't he wear a mask? It seems like he was making no attempt to cover up his crime. Maybe he is gone from the area by now. (?)
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longlegsinlapaz
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Sounding more & more like drugs or alcohol involved & the invasion/robbery was to get cash for more! IMO, only false bravado of being high or
sheer macho stupidity wanting to make sure victims knew who their assailant was makes any sense! I hope they've reported this to the police & if
local police don't take it seriously, maybe the La Paz police would. I'd also inform the Dept of Tourism & the US Consulate just to get a little
more pressure applied to the local police.
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I have a good sound of a 12 GA. 00 Buck round being chambered into a shotgun. As soon as I can figure out how to post it here I will.
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Has any tryed this?
This past weekend I was in TJ and met a gentleman with the State Secretary of Tourism. His name was Arturo Martinez Esquer and he said he covers all
of Baja.
Arturo seemed to be a very serious person and was highly motivated to help any American visiting Mexico. They have set-up the 078 number from cell
phones that are staffed with people that speak both English and Spanish. We actually tested the 078 process by calling when he was in our presence
and it at least seemed that they could be of help to you while visiting Mexico. They know they have a long way to go in correcting the problems
within their country and they claim to want to do so, one by one.
I don't know if this current situation being discussed on the board is up the alley of the State Secretariat of Tourism, but if it happened to me, I
would at least give them a try. The LAST thing they want is negative things happening while people are visiting Mexico. The other ways to reach
Arturo are as follows:
Phone- from U.S. 011 52 (664) 973-0424
E-mail- amartineze@baja.gob.mx
Maybe many think I am naive in trying to fix problems with this approach, but, I figure why not at least attempt to use the resources they have
available.
Am so sorry for what happened to this family.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
This past weekend I was in TJ and met a gentleman with the State Secretary of Tourism. His name was Arturo Martinez Esquer and he said he covers all
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It might be a good idea to post this on the Ciudad Constitición thread as well.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=46302&pag...
[Edited on 7-18-2010 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
Not sure why the guy wanted them to know that. He mentioned he had been there before doing work. YES, they both remembered him
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That seems dumb! Didn't he wear a mask? It seems like he was making no attempt to cover up his crime. Maybe he is gone from the area by now. (?)
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why do you think tweakers are smart?
tweakers are often really stupid criminals
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chnlisle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
This past weekend I was in TJ and met a gentleman with the State Secretary of Tourism. His name was Arturo Martinez Esquer and he said he covers all
of Baja.
Arturo seemed to be a very serious person and was highly motivated to help any American visiting Mexico. |
It does seem kind of weird that the Tourism Ministry is working so hard to recover American tourism in Mexico, while at the same time the government
of Mexico is openly calling for Mexicans to boycott Arizona. You get the feeling the bureaucrats in Mexico are all not on the same page.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
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My goodness the sound of a shotgun shell being racked into the chamber has a nice psychological effect on people.
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what he said! |
Maybe we came record that sound in the states and replay it in baja when the time comes |
My thought, exactly!
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I have a good sound of a 12 GA. 00 Buck round being chambered into a shotgun. As soon as I can figure out how to post it here I will.
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Oh good! Thanks!
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Looks like two or three threads about crime are still going. Just so there's no misunderstanding about the type of crimes: burglary is forced entry
into your home when you're gone. Robbery is violence or the threat of violence. Home invasion is strangers invading your home. Theft is the taking of
property with no sign of forced entry. Lose a tool to a friend or employee, that's wrongful conversion.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
About a year ago I was awakened at 2:00 AM to my doorbell ringing. I looked down from a second story window and could not see anyone as my front door
was blocked by part of my roof. I told whoever rang my doorbell to step into the light so I could see them. The man did step into the light and asked
if he could use my telephone saying, "We" are broken down." I could see a car on the street in front of my home. I told him no and to give me a number
of who he was trying to reach and I would call them for him on my cell phone. The man gave me the number which I called and the number was
disconnected. I asked if he had another number and he said no. I said that is all I can do for you as I racked a OO Buck round into the chamber of my
12 GA. Shotgun. The man walked back to his car and a few minutes later drove off. I could see other people in the car when he got in. I think he was
up to no good. My goodness the sound of a shotgun shell being racked into the chamber has a nice psychological effect on people. |
To those that suggest rackin' a round in a shotgun as a deterrent: yes, it will work for kids stealing gas out of your car or such, but is a grave
tactical error with serious bad guys. Defensive shotguns are like any other gun and should have one in the chamber with the safety on. You may not
have time to rack a round and by racking a round, you've given away your position and told the bad guys where to direct fire. It's the same reason I
won't have night sights on a gun: if I can see 'em, so can the bad guyz.
JMO, your mileage may vary
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"Lose a tool to a friend or employee, that's wrongful conversion."
And all these years.. I just thought my realitives and friends(s) were just worthless when it came to them "borrowing" tools from my garage...
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Peace Love and Fish Tacos ya'll!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
.... I met a very interesting fellow. Across his chest and stomach in large print was tattooed the following phrase:
Will kill for family |
Hmmmmm,
I wonder how long he had been out of jail
Great Family Values.... a Sarah Palin kind of guy
Don't believe everything you think....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Will kill for family |
Sounds like gang stuff....perhaps La Familia.
Nice sentiment though.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
You don't have to answer the door. If you're the "chosen one" to be asked for help - when there's someone next door or down the street or someone
more capable - church, police, hotel - why must you respond? The doorbell rings in the middle of the night? Not my problem. Kids are cold? It's not
freezing. Pregnant woman wants to sleep in your house? Who does this? How 'bout the house next door? A Mexican's house? Why your house? Why aren't
Mexican's asking Mexicans for help in their own country in their own language? You let strangers in your house in the middle of the night? why do you
have 4 dogs? for so-called security? Locks on the doors, shutters on the windows, alarm system - for security? And then you let them in the front
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There are certainly some parallels between this and some threads that have been posted describing folks encountering stranded motorists along lonely
stretches of Mex 1. Many of the same common sense rules would apply. And, in the end, as was mentioned earlier, after running through all the common
sense stuff, it's your gut that will make the decision.
All that said, from what I've seen developing in the original case, it would appear that at the very least, this incident does not appear to be part
of some local crime spree.
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