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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
As I said, glad DK is not Magellan, or Baja would be in real trouble and DK would probably not be alive. Magellan's arrogance and stupidity led to
his own death. In many ways, he was a victim of his times and religion.
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Here ya go Barry. I think Mr. Lee just made a little error with the quote box. They can be a bit confusing sometimes.
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sanquintinsince73
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I'd love to sit around a fogata with you and the Mrs. one day David and hear of some of your adventures in Baja.
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mtgoat666
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DK is quite enthusiastic, and quite quick to take umbrage,... and this thread illustrates he is quite a lightning rod. I think his GPS antenna doth
stick up too high, he attracts a discharge from every passing thunderhead (and a few passing dunderheads).
His maps and stories and enthusiasm are quite entertaining. His political grandstanding is equally entertaining.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now all you need David is to go South of Agua Verde down to Los Delores! And you can't go by Jeep, it will have to be by Panga and you will see some
Beautifull Country, with very few People..
I appreciate all of your good work and effort!
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Skeet, you are 'da man!
Part of 'my work' here is to spell the places in Baja correctly... and to prove to the anti DK groupies here that I don't have special rules for my
close friends... it is LOS DOLORES (named after the Jesuit mission originally founded on the coast but moved a few miles inland and later moved to La
Pasion). 
See http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions
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Neal Johns
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DK? He's not all bad for a young kid.
My highest compliment, David. 
Time to take my nap. Come up again and get a free book on Baja.
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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David K
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Thanks Neal, how's your differential doing? See you soon my young friend! 
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vgabndo
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On the subject of the "hero" status of people in history who clearly were sociopathic, one is tempted to invoke Herman Ausubel's Dictum. The problem
is that both Columbus and Magellan shared the same religion and the rules of behavior established for this belief system are only found in the Bible.
That collection of old myths and legends is so full of insane contradictions created by the bronze age mud hut dwellers who wrote it that one cannot
claim that there existed in the minds of Columbus and Magellan any clear moral code.
To revert to realism, I propose that "be good for goodness sake" could always have been held as a universally accepted code of behavior. In that case,
murder in the name of Christianity, or slavery in the quest for riches CAN be held as fundamentally evil.
I wouldn't want my name associated with evil. It appears DK doesn't mind. That's his call.
Again...kudos to David K for sharing his obsession with that part of Baja with which he is familiar. It is good for Nomads and it is good for his ego,
that's a win/win huh?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
On the subject of the "hero" status of people in history who clearly were sociopathic, one is tempted to invoke Herman Ausubel's Dictum. The problem
is that both Columbus and Magellan shared the same religion and the rules of behavior established for this belief system are only found in the Bible.
That collection of old myths and legends is so full of insane contradictions created by the bronze age mud hut dwellers who wrote it that one cannot
claim that there existed in the minds of Columbus and Magellan any clear moral code.
To revert to realism, I propose that "be good for goodness sake" could always have been held as a universally accepted code of behavior. In that case,
murder in the name of Christianity, or slavery in the quest for riches CAN be held as fundamentally evil.
I wouldn't want my name associated with evil. It appears DK doesn't mind. That's his call.
Again...kudos to David K for sharing his obsession with that part of Baja with which he is familiar. It is good for Nomads and it is good for his ego,
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Vag---------it has long occurred to me that using certain twisted context, almost every man-act can be deemed evil--------who are we to condemn
actions that took place 100's of years ago when we only vaguely know the context of those times?? To evaluate those actions with 21st century wisdom
seems somewhat arrogant and speculative, to me. The often utilized attempt by scholars to discredit Icons of the past is bound to confuse,
especially kids--------and to what end in the big picture?
I believe that type of scrutiny is appropriate for scholars, but probably less so for the general public, or kids, and is certainly not appropriate
when trying to show our appreciation for "one of our own" NOMADS, is it? You apparently think it is--------I disagree.
Who cares what is driving David to do what he does (ego, humanity, wanting to help? etc.) ? To me that is totally irrelevant----many of we NOMADS just
really appreciate what he does on this board (and elsewhere) and wanted to express that.
I won't even address your comments on religion and the Bible, except to mention that millions, if not billions, of people on earth don't seem to agree
with you. Why you threw that disruptive & inflammatory concept out in THIS context is beyond my comprehension. (ego, arrogance, disgust, or to
"teach", or all of the above?????)
Barry
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DENNIS
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There are two Davids here. The political one and the Baja one and only one of them has gathered so many detractors.
I suggest we seperate the two and look at David as a person with Multiple personalities. Take from the good David and ignore the other if you
disagree with him.
I've never seen anyone disagree with his knowledge of Baja. That has to be appreciated.
Doesn't it??
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I've never seen anyone disagree with his knowledge of Baja. That has to be appreciated.
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(bump) Absolutely, Dennis!!!!! but personally I like and respect "both" the David's I have come to know via this board, but I admit, that is just
ME.
If only folks would STOP making political or radical comments outside the OFF TOPIC forum we would not be getting what some see as unwelcome responses
As almost always happens, one "political or radical statement" triggers a reaction. (Duh)
Barry
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sanquintinsince73
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I agree Barry. Thanks for setting that chit disturber with an agenda straight.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree Barry. Thanks for setting that poo disturber with an agenda straight. |
Whooosat? I lost it.
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vgabndo
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You're right Barry, it is often extremely frustrating to be a thinking, studying, rational, realist in a country with an illegally established
exclusionary national belief system which is a doomsday cult. When people mindlessly honor the vile acts of people who were every bit as intelligent
as we are today, but who purposefully went about enslaving and butchering people in the name of one of the 30,000 claimed gods, I am affronted.
While it is true that one of the older cults has traditionally protected pedophilic men of God, fortunately some of the cults are much nicer.
Like the Westboro Baptist Church http://www.godhatesfags.com/
It makes me so proud to be an American.
[Edited on 10-17-2010 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
You're right Barry, it is often extremely frustrating to be a thinking, studying, rational, realist in a country with an illegally established
exclusionary national belief system which is a doomsday cult. When people mindlessly honor the vile acts of people who were every bit as intelligent
as we are today, but who purposefully went about enslaving and butchering people in the name of one of the 30,000 claimed gods, I am affronted.
While it is true that one of the older cults has traditionally protected pedophilic men of God, fortunately some of the cults are much nicer.
Like the Danboro Baptist Church http://www.godhatesfags.com/
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I give up!!!!! I have no idea what you are talking about, for the most part. The Force be with you, Vag.
Barry
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capt. mike
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frankly i find the debate here betwixed Vag and Barry to be way more entertaining than the subject of this thread. Rave on men!
i think that taken in the context of the times, both Columbus and Magellan were both operating within the bounds of "normal" behavior fot their
respective endeavors. what they "did" was routine for the day. It just is simply the way things were and as they evolved. It was not "right" or wrong
per se - it just was.
big deal. Has nada to do with the mores in vogue today. that is why history is do fun.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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vgabndo
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Barry... let's see if you "get" this. A long time ago boy named Jack traded the family cow for some magic beans, his angry mother threw them on the
ground where they promptly germinated and grew far into the sky. Jack climbed up and found the home of a giant. He broke in and stole the giant's
gold, then returned to steal again and again; a magic goose and a magic harp. Almost every American child has heard this fairy tale.
Here's the clearly factual difference between the stories of Jack and Jesus. Christian parents don't threaten their children with a very special
horrible, hidiously painful, forever, place called hell for the offense of not believing in Jack's beanstalk even though there is exactly an equal
amount of proof that both stories are true.
It has proven extremely difficult to rehabilitate these poor children after so thorough a brainwashing at such an early age. It is even more
difficult after they have been sodomized by their spiritual advisors.
I have several different kinds of vegetables in my one garden, according to the Bible that is a mortal sin punishable by death. I am being careful to
keep the JW's, Latter Day Saints and the Tea Party fanatics at the front door and out of sight of my garden. 
It is my moral duty as an educated patriot to fight against such madness and mass delusion. I acknowledge that I am at some risk of the "terrible
swift sword" of Jesus's flock.
I'll repeat here my respect for DK's knowledge of the parts of Baja he has studied.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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Vag--------our thoughts are passing in the night, not relating to each other at all, it seems. In this thread, I have mainly questioned the
"appropriateness" of some of your comments------the content is a secondary consideration. I still think most your comments in this thread are highly
innapropriate, but then look at me participating. I just can[t seem to help it, much like you.
Tho I am not a religious individual, many of my family and friends are, but they neither practice or condone the negative "issues" that you bring up
about "religion"-------in fact they, and I, may agree with the thrust of much of what you say, some specific points tho not at all. I applaud your
outcrys about the injustice and malice you see in the religions community, but you are branding the many for the evil and crazyness of a few. And
yes, most of my family and friends are loud protesters of these kooks and evil-doers within their midst when the issue comes up.
On the "vegetable" issue, I really do NOT get what you are talking about, probably because I am really not familiar with the Bible (???). I don't
really know why this goes over my head, but it does. And I don't recall ever being exposed to the fairly tales of which you refer to (tho I have
heard of them)-----I have always shied away from fairly tales even as a child-----much preferring reality & history.
Again, I applaud your passion, but just think it is misdirected and out of place in this thread. We ought to be discussing this in the OFF TOPIC
forum, not here.
Now please explain this "vegetable issue"-----I may be guilty of it also, heaven forbid. We really should meet someday in SengThongs in Dunsmuir and
discuss this over good food and wine. 
Barry
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norte
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Vag--------our thoughts are passing in the night, not relating to each other at all, it seems. In this thread, I have mainly questioned the
"appropriateness" of some of your comments------the content is a secondary consideration. I still think most your comments in this thread are highly
innapropriate, but then look at me participating. I just can[t seem to help it, much like you.
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Please what is appropriate and notapproprite if the content is not a consideration??????
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Barry A.
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I don't know------it sounded good to me at the time. 
My use of the word "inappropriate" referred to negative and inflammatory comments by Vag other than in support of David K, which after all is what the
thread was all about, or intended. Vag brought several other controversial topics to the table in his posts, IMO.
May I suggest you review the entire thread, Norte?
Barry
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schwlind
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David,
I agree 100% with those who appreciate all you bring and freely share with fellow Nomads...
Your detractors... well I guess it's hard for some people to either just say something nice... or keep their traps shut!
Thanks again... from a very grateful Nomad...
Linda
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