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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....here's how it went for me yesterday with my independent agent.
I had an FM3 for five years and an FM2 for four years.
I now give him six months of bank statements, a copy of my passport. my FM2 along with 600 dollars for the Residente Permanente card, and it's over
for me.
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I would be interested what experience other Nomads have at the Loreto INM office about using thier FM3 years as part of their process to get to
"Residente Permanente"..
My talk with them last week, they stated that they were only allowing years under a FM2 to count towards "RP" status?
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
It's possible there's some page translation fees in there, by the agent. Some "official" translators charge 100 pesos per page.
We did not go in to our local office last Monday as expected. The very painful death of our oldest dog just left us unwilling. Next Monday, for sure.
I'd say the Ensenada office is the reigning PITA king of all the INM offices. Maybe that is money well spent, Dennis. |
Maybe so, but the agent I spoke to (the one Dennis uses) includes that with his fee. Great to know I'm dealing with the biggest PITA. 
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DENNIS
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What's to translate on a bank statement? It's all numbers. Imn doesn't care where it comes from.....only that it arrives on a regular basis.
If fees are charged for that, it's a pure and simple ripoff.
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....here's how it went for me yesterday with my independent agent.
I had an FM3 for five years and an FM2 for four years.
I now give him six months of bank statements, a copy of my passport. my FM2 along with 600 dollars for the Residente Permanente card, and it's over
for me.
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I would be interested what experience other Nomads have at the Loreto INM office about using thier FM3 years as part of their process to get to
"Residente Permanente"..
My talk with them last week, they stated that they were only allowing years under a FM2 to count towards "RP" status? |
I got the same story (about a month ago) and they are wrong. not that that helps. I figure I'll have to go to La Paz or hire a lawyer if they
persist in this belief.
Article 162, secto VI states that Permanent Resident status (from Article 52 sect VII) conditions for Permanent Residents include (among others,
most of which aren't applicable to the average gringo) (II) pensioned or retired with sufficient income to live in the country or (III0 qualify under
a points system to be defined (mainly for highly qualified skilled workers similar to the pints-based immigration to Australia, Canada, New Zealand).
also included is owning property in Mexico, amount to be determined but currently thought to be about 250K.
[Edited on 11-29-2012 by rhintransit]
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Lee
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I'm wondering what drives someone to get a Permanent Resident status vs. naturalization? I've read the benefits of both along with not having to
renew either.
Are there benefits that ''fit'' someone wanting Permanent Resident status other than no more renewals? I know the costs are less, don't have to
show up in DF for the test, etc.
What else is there?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
What else is there? |
Naturalization is a grueling process, Lee. First....a working knowledge of Spanish is required as well as taking a test. There are questions about
the national anthem as well as other areas that good citizens should be aware of.
On top of that, one must travel to Mexico City to do all of it.
Shari went through this a while back and perhaps, if she sees this, she'll add some info.
I think Blanca did as well.
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[Edited on 11-29-2012 by DENNIS]
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What's to translate on a bank statement? It's all numbers. Imn doesn't care where it comes from.....only that it arrives on a regular basis.
If fees are charged for that, it's a pure and simple ripoff. |
Maybe not a savings account statement from a bank. However, have you never seen a statement from a brokerage house? (Mine are ~20 pages). There are
many, many terms and phrases to translate. The biggest problem is not translating but FORMATTING the translation pages (which have many columns of
numbers, under many different headings) to resemble the originals and to be legible.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
The biggest problem is not translating but FORMATTING the translation pages (which have many columns of numbers, under many different headings) to
resemble the originals and to be legible. |
By the way....I think I recall your mention that Carlos may be doing some translating. I'm pretty sure he isn't as translators are trained and
licensed. Translations from unlicensed sources are ignored by the government.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What's to translate on a bank statement? It's all numbers. Imn doesn't care where it comes from.....only that it arrives on a regular basis.
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Maybe not a savings account statement from a bank. However, have you never seen a statement from a brokerage house? (Mine are ~20 pages). ...
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Its been my experience that Immigration does not want 20 pages translated to clutter your file.
They just want 3 consecutive months' one-page statements which contains your name, a current date and a balance which meets their qualifications. They
don't need this translated.
Be sure to ink-out the account number(s) and your stateside address, btw-- t'aint nobody's biznezz but yours and it protects you from identity theft.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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regarding becoming a citizen....the test is only 5 questions...it's the study sheet of the possible 100 questions that is grueling to learn as well as
the anthem not to mention having to go to DF twice....but it was worth it for me!
I believe the test is not given to applicants over 60.
I love to vote and I can have land in my name and just like being a citizen in the country I live in.
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willardguy
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how many can you miss out of five?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I believe the test is not given to applicants over 60. |
You mean we get a pass? Hard to imagine.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
how many can you miss out of five? |
None, but you can buy the answers from Shari. 
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Lee
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Granted the naturalization process isn't easy. It is doable, though. And I think those who went that route shared much like Shari wrote -- it was
worth it.
I don't think those getting Residential status do it because it was easier. Or do they?
Dennis is over 60 so the test doesn't apply.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Hook
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Based on info gotten off a Mazatlan discussion board, the issue of whether a person with a Residente Permanente can drive a foreign plated vehicle was
discussed at the immigration forum in Mazatlan this morning. Representatives of INM stated that person's with a Permanente RENTISTA card ARE allowed
to drive a foreign plated vehicle. The reasoning given was because all their income was from OUTSIDE of Mexico.
If this holds true, that pretty much makes it a slam dunk in favor of getting a Residente Permanente RENTISTA card, IMO. For one lump sum, you would
be able to drive your foreign plated vehicle, not have any restrictions on entering or exiting the country, not have to check in or out when entering
or exiting by land and SUPPOSEDLY never have to apply for any type of INM card again.
Can this really be true? Hey, it's Mexico..................who knows?
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What's to translate on a bank statement? It's all numbers. Imn doesn't care where it comes from.....only that it arrives on a regular basis.
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Maybe not a savings account statement from a bank. However, have you never seen a statement from a brokerage house? (Mine are ~20 pages). ...
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Its been my experience that Immigration does not want 20 pages translated to clutter your file.
They just want 3 consecutive months' one-page statements which contains your name, a current date and a balance which meets their qualifications. They
don't need this translated.
Be sure to ink-out the account number(s) and your stateside address, btw-- t'aint nobody's biznezz but yours and it protects you from identity theft.
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Who knows what the !$#@$ they want, now, but when I tried to apply a few months ago, the representative (who seemed to know what she was doing)
quickly segregated from the numerous pages of statements I'd brought with me, three statements of about 20 pages each, and she advised me to get them
translated and re-submit them and the translation with my application.
I might add: a lot of people who invest in stocks, bonds and/or mutual funds don't keep that much money in savings accounts or other accounts that
are summarized in short statements. I don't THINK that even the Mexican government would be so stupid as to exclude lengthier statements of account
as evidence of financial eligibility to obtain a visa.
[Edited on 11-30-2012 by MsTerieus]
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
The biggest problem is not translating but FORMATTING the translation pages (which have many columns of numbers, under many different headings) to
resemble the originals and to be legible. |
By the way....I think I recall your mention that Carlos may be doing some translating. I'm pretty sure he isn't as translators are trained and
licensed. Translations from unlicensed sources are ignored by the government. |
Well, you are mistaken, Dennis. He was perfectly willing to have his assistants translate my financials - which was what they were in the middle of
doing for someone else when I went to his office. INM does not require certified translations; anyone can do them. And as you said, it's mostly
numbers (though lots of standard banking/brokerage phrases, as well).
[Edited on 11-30-2012 by MsTerieus]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
Well, you are mistaken, Dennis. He was perfectly willing to have his assistants translate my financials - which was what they were in the middle of
doing for someone else when I went to his office. INM does not require certified translations; anyone can do them. And as you said, it's mostly
numbers (though lots of standard banking/brokerage phrases, as well).
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OK......I think most of what IMM requires is a bunch of arbitrary boolsht anyway, given the differences in local requirements, but if you are ever in
dealings with a notary, don't ask Carlos' daughter to translate for you. It won't fly.
What I mean is, some things require an "Official Translation." Those are only done by Official Translators, college trained and licensed as well as
proudly displaying the title of Licenciado in front of their name.
Evidently, the forms being filled out at IMM arn't among those because, to my knowledge, neither Carlos or his daughter is an official translator.
[Edited on 11-30-2012 by DENNIS]
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DENNIS
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Let me just clear up a point before someone wants to say "Licenciado" is a title denoting an attorney. That is a common misconception:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licentiate#Mexico
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[Edited on 11-30-2012 by DENNIS]
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK......I think most of what IMM requires is a bunch of arbitrary boolsht anyway, given the differences in local requirements, but if you are ever in
dealings with a notary, don't ask Carlos' daughter to translate for you. It won't fly.
What I mean is, some things require an "Official Translation." Those are only done by Official Translators, college trained and licensed as well as
proudly displaying the title of Licenciado in front of their name.
Evidently, the forms being filled out at IMM arn't among those because, to my knowledge, neither Carlos or his daughter is an official translator.
[Edited on 11-30-2012 by DENNIS] |
I agree with you about the BS. And I am not aware of any "forms" at INM that require translation - official or no. Just bank statements, and the
like, showing financial eligibility need to be translated. As I think I said at some point, Carlos actually had advised me to translate them MYSELF
and/or get a friend to help (because he would only do it in connection with handling the entire application process for me, and I'd done everything
else). I do find the requirement a bit odd: you'd think even educated people in Mexico could figure out what a Charles Schwab or Smith Barney
statement (in English) says.
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