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willardguy
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Everywhere I look something reminds me of her........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldhUQLXaVrs
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DianaT
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One of my favorite movies! 
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elgatoloco
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We were at our casa on the north coast of Baja last night. After dark the breaking waves were glowing! Hopefully just Dinoflagellates and not
radiation. 
Family friends owned the company who got the first concrete pumping contract for Units 2 & 3 at San O. After about a year or two they sold the
contract and literally sailed off into the sunset. They pumped concrete 24/7 for 7 or 8 years there as I recall.
Brother-in-law went scuba diving 4 days a week for 6 years on the "kelp ecology project" that studied the effect of the outfall pipes at San O. To
this day he sometimes glows in the dark. 
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MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Wow, some of you like to really take it to the limits here. So, here is my reply since you are so bothered by a photo:
1) The thread was about radiation coming from Japan and the possible bad results.
2) Two cities in Japan were blown off the face of the earth by two atomic bombs and tens of thousands or more were killed by the radiation that
followed the blasts.
3) The radiation obviously is a temporary issue since (as the photo showed) the cities have been rebuilt and are thriving examples of what free
enterprise and hard work can do for prosperity... on Ground Zero of an atom bomb blast! So, instead of panic, there is hope. Just like when it was
shown that the statistics on climate change were altered to create a desired panic.
4) In a once thriving city in America, where no bombing (nuclear or conventional) has been done to it, liberal policies alone have destroyed any
prosperity and ruined the city...
The rage a few of you have is that the photos make it so clear that you will now resort to mud flinging and cries of outrage to mask the obvious. Face
it, Freedom of the people from big government and allowing private business to supply the market makes jobs, makes wealth, makes sense!
Now, have a nice day... and smile, the world is not going to end from this or anything else man has done... it is FAR more powerful than us!  |
David, just curious if you blame Obama and liberals for everything...like when you hit your hand trying to pound a nail or miss a traffic signal
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SFandH
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This thread has has got me interested (again) in the ongoing ***ushima disaster. I had a google news alert when it first happened and closely followed
the news. There are many articles on the Internet about the spent fuel tank in the damaged reactor 4 building. The integrity of the building is
unknown and the radiation fields are high.
There are 1,300 spent fuel rods weighing 40 tons in the tank. They have to keep adding water otherwise the heat from the decay of the highly
radioactive fuel rods filled with fission products, uranium, and plutonium will cause the rods to melt and catch fire. The fuel cladding actually
burns when it gets too hot and is exposed to air. The tank is on the top floor of the building and because of the damage they can't remove the fuel
rods using the normal highly automated remote procedure. They need to remove the fuel rods using a dangerous manual method. Which, it appears, they
haven't designed yet.
There is concern that the fission chain reaction could restart causing the fuel assembly to superheat, evaporate the cooling water, and then catch
fire and melt. I don't know how realistic this concern is.
This incident is far from over.
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SFandH
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I also read yesterday that scientists are now saying seafood gathered 100 miles or more away from ***ushima is safe to eat.
That may change depending upon future releases into the ocean and it may not be true. Things like this are determined by sampling and there is always
the problem of using representative samples for the measurements. Plus, what is safe and unsafe is debatable.
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wessongroup
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"representative samples" ........ a very important aspect of "sampling"
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monoloco
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More bad news:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-08-26/***ushima-ra...
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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SFandH
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MrBillM
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***ushima Frenzy
Setting aside the WWII Nippon-Nuking, in the postwar period there were numerous Nuclear tests performed in the Pacific with no significant widespread
or Global Ill effects.
Despite far more Hysteria than we're seeing now.
BTW, although describing the two Big Boom Days of Fat Man and Little Boy as a Favor to the Imperial Empire
is considered a stretch, there is the argument that ending the war that way benefited them when faced with the alternatives of an invasion or LeMay's
plan for continued scorched-earth fire-bombing.
[Edited on 8-26-2013 by MrBillM]
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Setting aside the WWII Nippon-Nuking, in the postwar period there were numerous Nuclear tests performed in the Pacific with no significant widespread
or Global Ill effects.
Despite far more Hysteria than we're seeing now.
BTW, although describing the two Big Boom Days of Fat Man and Little Boy as a Favor to the Imperial Empire
is considered a stretch, there is the argument that ending the war that way benefited them when faced with the alternatives of an invasion or LeMay's
plan for continued scorched-earth fire-bombing.
[Edited on 8-26-2013 by MrBillM] |
The weight of the material that fissions in a nuclear bomb is several pounds. Since the bombs convert mass to energy in a rather dramatic way, there
is even less, in terms of weight, radioactive material after the explosion. There are 40 TONS of uranium/plutonium/fission products in reactor 4's
spent fuel tank alone.
There have been self-sustaining nuclear fission chain reactions going on in those 6 reactors for decades. Nuclear reactions in a bomb are finished in
an instant.
Predicting the effects of ***ushima based upon the radiological effects of nuclear explosions doesn't make sense.
And there certainly has been global effects due to atmospheric testing. Why do you think they stopped it and went underground? Before the bombs I-131,
Cs-137, and Sr-90 didn't exist, not one single atom, anywhere. The stuff is all over the globe now. Granted, in small amounts but no level of
radioactivity is safe, that's a fact.
There are too many variables to know, but to think that the increase in cancer isn't in part due to atmospheric testing would be illogical.
Keep your fingers crossed that another earthquake or tsunami doesn't hit ***ushima.
[Edited on 8-27-2013 by SFandH]
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David K
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Good point Bill, we blew up many hydrogen bombs in the Pacific before testing them under Nevada... and the French continue to do so! A hydrogen
(fusion) bomb is MANY times more powerful than the Atom (fission) bombs dropped on Japan. The earth is powerful indeed... oil spills, nuclear
radiation, etc. and in a relative short time, life resumes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The earth is powerful indeed... oil spills, nuclear radiation, etc. and in a relative short time, life resumes. |
Until it doesn't. Nobody knows where that tipping point is.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Good point Bill, we blew up many hydrogen bombs in the Pacific before testing them under Nevada... and the French continue to do so! A hydrogen
(fusion) bomb is MANY times more powerful than the Atom (fission) bombs dropped on Japan. The earth is powerful indeed... oil spills, nuclear
radiation, etc. and in a relative short time, life resumes. |
Read what I wrote above your post. And the fusion reaction produces comparatively small amounts of radioactive fallout, especially air bursts.
[Edited on 8-26-2013 by SFandH]
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David K
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Yes, I posted my reply to Bill before I saw yours. Thank you!
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bajaguy
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Interesting article on ***ushima
From CBS news:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57600173/area-near-***...
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i saw that. notice how the big story gets glossed over about a heart strings issue? journalism at its worst....
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MrBillM
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Looking on the Bright Side ..................
IF the Beaches start to GLOW ..............
Surfing at night will be energized.
So to speak.
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wessongroup
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I'd be more worried about "barrels" and/or "storage tanks" that might show up on the beach .... from, you know where 
As would imagine finding enough room for them is going to become "problematic" after a few decades of "pumping" groundwater ...... not to mention
those 15 ton "filters" which are piling up a bit, already ....
But, not to worry ... they are "clear cutting" an entire forest adjacent to the "site" for additional storage ..... for now
Door stops, scratch that, aaahhhh ... ok, leave in place ... got it
Not sure how they will build the lead and concrete "coffin" which the Russians are encasing their "nuclear accident" in ..... glad they don't have
"earthquakes" in Russia ... but they do seem to attract stuff from "outer spaces" a bit ....
No up side to animal species being exposed to increasing levels of radiation, I'm aware of, at this time ...... its a straright line, more radiation
... greater mutations to the "genome" ..... more exposure it becomes acutley toxic to organisms's ability to function and/or live ....... the genetics
takes time, at least 9 months, normally ... the rest is a "coin toss"
Think it's important to remember "it" doesn't go AWAY .... think DDT ... and it builds up, like its "additive" 1 + 1= 2
“The U.S. Department of Energy has testified that there is no level of radiation that is so low that it is without health risks,” Jacqueline Cabasso,
the Executive Director of the Western States Legal Foundation, told Al Jazeera.
Her foundation monitors and analyzes U.S. nuclear weapons programs and policies and related high technology energy, with a focus on the national
nuclear weapons laboratories.
Cabasso explained that natural background radiation exists, “But more than 2,000 nuclear tests have enhanced this background radiation level, so we
are already living in an artificially radiated environment due to all the nuclear tests.”
'No safe levels' of radiation in Japan
Experts warn that any detectable level of radiation is "too much".
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/04/2011421925...
appears one has to get off the major wave lengths to get a "glimpse"
I'll pass on MORE radiation, but, still .... Have a nice weekend ... and a beer or two
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The Germans are turning out to be pretty smart ... on some things ... don't know how they are able to go solar with their weather
[Edited on 8-27-2013 by wessongroup]
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***ushima has changed from an electricity producer to a radioactive water producer.
One suggestion is to store the water in oil tankers. Begs the question, then what?
Some scientists are suggesting cooling the mess with high volumes of air.
Best to stand upwind.
I was reading more today. It bugged me that they are saying 300 tons of radioactive water a day. Who measures water by weight?
So....
(300 * 2000)/8.3 = about 72,300 gallons per day
That's the volume of the leaks, not the amount of "hot" water produced.
I like the tanker idea. Just so they don't sink, say in the Persian Gulf.
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