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Gulliver
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I've been driving in LaPaz and similar places for years. I stop at stop signs and take my turn. The car on my right goes first and all that normal
stuff just like the U.S.
I have never been honked at or even had a dirty look. I don't find LaPaz traffic any better or worse than Seattle or L.A. or any larger city. Just a
lot of nice folks getting on with their lives.
Granted, I see some locals and some others blowing the signs and traffic lights. But that's their choice. I have enough trouble running my own life
without stressing about what other people are doing. I just laugh. I wasn't put on earth to be upset and unhappy.
Have another look at that UTube video of Bangalore traffic. Did anyone get hit? Very good drivers. I'll take that intersection over a country road in
Washington State right after the bars close!
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Pompano
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Luck favors the prepared mind. 38 years of Baja stopping (enough) at signs and never been rear-ended. (yet)
Most all know the drill. Use the same common sense you use in the US & Canada.
Driving in Baja is very calm compared to Mexico City. Now that place is a nightmare!
Ever been to the Zocolo district at rush hour? Whew...a regular demolition derby. I would only drive it again in a tank.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Goat, I don't flip anyone off and didn't say I did. Doesn't mean no one else on the road doesn't flip off, honk at, and pass (yes, on the right) the
"righteous 55" a-holes.
Personally, I've been driving in commuter traffic on a daily basis for so many years that very little gets under my skin on the roads. Not worth the
heartburn. I just roll my eyes at the jerks and go about my business. Kind of like here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
Goat, I don't flip anyone off and didn't say I did. Doesn't mean no one else on the road doesn't flip off, honk at, and pass (yes, on the right) the
"righteous 55" a-holes.
Personally, I've been driving in commuter traffic on a daily basis for so many years that very little gets under my skin on the roads. Not worth the
heartburn. I just roll my eyes at the jerks and go about my business. Kind of like here. |
Let me see it I have this right. People, like me, who drive the speed limit are a-holes and jerks, and and speeders like yourself aren't?
I don't get it, but I'm only a dumb Democrat, perhaps you can make it clear to me how I too could be morally above the law?
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
Goat, I don't flip anyone off and didn't say I did. Doesn't mean no one else on the road doesn't flip off, honk at, and pass (yes, on the right) the
"righteous 55" a-holes.
Personally, I've been driving in commuter traffic on a daily basis for so many years that very little gets under my skin on the roads. Not worth the
heartburn. I just roll my eyes at the jerks and go about my business. Kind of like here. |
Let me see it I have this right. People, like me, who drive the speed limit are a-holes and jerks, and and speeders like yourself aren't?
I don't get it, but I'm only a dumb Democrat, perhaps you can make it clear to me how I too could be morally above the law?
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by vgabndo] |
Vgabndo, you would do well in our area on 395. It is four lanes from here to Bishop, so the speeders can pass us. We turn onto the highway set the
cruise control to 66/67 to stay out of trouble. We get glares as to why we are not driving 75/80 on such a nice open highway; especially with the
flantlanders racing to the ski areas.
We just smile as we see so many pulled over by the CHP. LOTS of CHP and Sheriffs on this stretch of highway which is a good thing. And we are glad
and enjoy seeing them in their favorite spots in our little town as way too many ignore the 35mph speed limit and that makes it difficult and
dangerous for the locals. And for many of the speeders, the crosswalk means nothing.
Besides, most of the time when we hear the siren at the Volunteer Fire Department go off, it is because of traffic accidents and often the mutilated
car is temporarily brought and parked at the fire station. They always give me the chills as I wonder what the occupants looked like.
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by DianaT]
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durrelllrobert
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..and the signs say
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
Goat, I don't flip anyone off and didn't say I did. Doesn't mean no one else on the road doesn't flip off, honk at, and pass (yes, on the right) the
"righteous 55" a-holes.
Personally, I've been driving in commuter traffic on a daily basis for so many years that very little gets under my skin on the roads. Not worth the
heartburn. I just roll my eyes at the jerks and go about my business. Kind of like here. |
Let me see it I have this right. People, like me, who drive the speed limit are a-holes and jerks, and and speeders like yourself aren't?
I don't get it, but I'm only a dumb Democrat, perhaps you can make it clear to me how I too could be morally above the law?
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by vgabndo] |
Vgabndo, you would do well in our area on 395. It is four lanes from here to Bishop, so the speeders can pass us. We turn onto the highway set the
cruise control to 66/67 to stay out of trouble. We get glares as to why we are not driving 75/80 on such a nice open highway; especially with the
flantlanders racing to the ski areas.
We just smile as we see so many pulled over by the CHP. LOTS of CHP and Sheriffs on this stretch of highway which is a good thing. And we are glad
and enjoy seeing them in their favorite spots in our little town as way too many ignore the 35mph speed limit and that makes it difficult and
dangerous for the locals. And for many of the speeders, the crosswalk means nothing.
Besides, most of the time when we hear the siren at the Volunteer Fire Department go off, it is because of traffic accidents and often the mutilated
car is temporarily brought and parked at the fire station. They always give me the chills as I wonder what the occupants looked like.
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by DianaT] |
..slower traffic (non-speeders) keep right
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by durrelllrobert]
Bob Durrell
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In WA when you come to a passing lane there is a sign that says "Slower Traffic Keep Right". Note this does not say anything about how fast you are
going, if you are the slower one, keep right. Sounds simple doesn't it. Can't believe how many people ignore this.
This may be because of the entitlement attitude some people have to "do their own thing", usually at some cost to others.
Can't wait to read comments on this post!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Floatflyer
In WA when you come to a passing lane there is a sign that says "Slower Traffic Keep Right". Note this does not say anything about how fast you are
going, if you are the slower one, keep right. Sounds simple doesn't it. Can't believe how many people ignore this.
This may be because of the entitlement attitude some people have to "do their own thing", usually at some cost to others.
Can't wait to read comments on this post! |
when i drive the 5 up/down CA central valley, i notice people prefer to stick to the fast lane regardless of speed. you really can't blame them as
much of the slow lane pavement is beat to hell or grooved due to heavy truck traffic. on the 5 the right lane is for passing
re washington, the water logged residents just drive too slow!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
..slower traffic (non-speeders) keep right
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by durrelllrobert] |
Yes, we need to keep the left lane open for the CHP to catch up with the speeders. 
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Pompano
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I avoid any bullheaded types...right or left.
[Edited on 12-21-2013 by BajaNomad]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Gees, I would hate to hit that! A small coyote cost us $1200.00 this year.
[Edited on 12-21-2013 by BajaNomad]
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Gees, I would hate to hit that! A small coyote cost us $1200.00 this year. |
How right you are, Diane. A full grown bison will weigh about 2000 lbs. A mature coyote averages 30-35 lbs. Quite a difference in the damages to
the vehicle.
On a trip in the Wyoming mountains, I swerved a motorhome to miss a mule deer doe and her fawn quickly crossing in front of us, but crashed the median
barrrier, blew tires, dents galore, underside damage...and ended up with an $8000 repair bill. (thank goodness for State Farm insurance)
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Gees, I would hate to hit that! A small coyote cost us $1200.00 this year. |
How right you are, Diane. A full grown bison will weigh about 2000 lbs. A mature coyote averages 30-35 lbs. Quite a difference in the damages to
the vehicle.
On a trip in the Wyoming mountains, I swerved a motorhome to miss a mule deer doe and her fawn quickly crossing in front of us, but crashed the median
barrrier, blew tires, dents galore, underside damage...and ended up with an $8000 repair bill. (thank goodness for State Farm insurance)
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We HATED hitting the coyote, but the choice was him or crashing the car into another car. We went back to make sure he was dead and not just injured.
It is the holiday season alright! Just drove to Bishop. On the way there, one CHP had 3 cars pulled over and on the way back, one CHP had one car
and by town, a Sheriff had another one. Since there is snow in them there mountains, the Christmas vacation rush has started. 
[Edited on 12-20-2013 by DianaT]
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vgabndo
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The sign says slower traffic keep right. A person who is driving just as fast as the law allows, pinned on 55, 65, or 70 depending on the law CAN NOT
BE SLOWER TRAFFIC assuming there is a speed law.
Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic" , they are simply outlaws who haven't at the moment been pulled over and cited by
the grownups.
I just drove a thousand miles through Oregon, Idaho and Nevada almost entirely on two lane roads, and the number of people who were obviously speeding
was absolutely minimal. I drove for hours in the company of the same vehicles all moving safely along at 55 MPH.
My travel time was almost exactly what the mapping program said it would be, and my fuel mileage was as good as it gets.
I have often fantasized about what I might say to a judge if I was ticketed for the "slower traffic" sign. It would take some explaining to get me to
understand why I was pulled over for inconveniencing a speeder when it would have been just as easy and lot less embarrassing to just ticket the
speeder. Probably a bigger fine too!
People driving slower than the posted speed limit should certainly use the right hand lanes where available; and I do. 
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Gees, I would hate to hit that! A small coyote cost us $1200.00 this year. |
How right you are, Diane. A full grown bison will weigh about 2000 lbs. A mature coyote averages 30-35 lbs. Quite a difference in the damages to
the vehicle.
On a trip in the Wyoming mountains, I swerved a motorhome to miss a mule deer doe and her fawn quickly crossing in front of us, but crashed the median
barrrier, blew tires, dents galore, underside damage...and ended up with an $8000 repair bill. (thank goodness for State Farm insurance)
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Even though I've lived in Montana, Idaho, Colorado and eastern Washington the only deer I ever hit was
about 100 ft. after leaving my driveway in redwood City. Wiped out my grille/radiator and since I had a big framing hammer in the truck I whacked him
a good one in the haed to make sure he wasn't suffering. Made a U turn and pulled back into my driveway, got into my other car and by the time I got
to where he was laying he was gone.
Bob Durrell
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395 Speeders
This time of year it's usually the SoCal ski crowd headed to Mammoth......no matter when they leave their home, they have to be first in the lift
line.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
........... Just drove to Bishop. On the way there, one CHP had 3 cars pulled over and on the way back, one CHP had one car and by town, a Sheriff
had another one. Since there is snow in them there mountains, the Christmas vacation rush has started.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
The sign says slower traffic keep right. A person who is driving just as fast as the law allows, pinned on 55, 65, or 70 depending on the law CAN NOT
BE SLOWER TRAFFIC assuming there is a speed law.
Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic" , they are simply outlaws who haven't at the moment been pulled over and cited by
the grownups.
I just drove a thousand miles through Oregon, Idaho and Nevada almost entirely on two lane roads, and the number of people who were obviously speeding
was absolutely minimal. I drove for hours in the company of the same vehicles all moving safely along at 55 MPH.
My travel time was almost exactly what the mapping program said it would be, and my fuel mileage was as good as it gets.
I have often fantasized about what I might say to a judge if I was ticketed for the "slower traffic" sign. It would take some explaining to get me to
understand why I was pulled over for inconveniencing a speeder when it would have been just as easy and lot less embarrassing to just ticket the
speeder. Probably a bigger fine too!
People driving slower than the posted speed limit should certainly use the right hand lanes where available; and I do. |
The law in CA says you WILL use the right hand lane on a 4 or more lane road unless passing another vehicle-----period!!! Those that cruize in the
left lane blocking others from passing them is one of the most dangerous drivers on the road as they are one of the chief instigators of serious ROAD
RAGE in other's. Road Rage is highly dangerous, and causes many very serious accidents, no matter how nutty and immature it is.
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
Barry
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Speeders and The Law...
A man driving in the right lane is stopped by police for speeding and the officer asks him for his driver's license, I don't have one," The man says.
"It was taken away for drunk driving."
So the officer ask for the man's vehicle registration. "I don't have one." The man say's. "This car is stolen and I've murdered the owner and stuck
him in the trunk."
At that point, The officer calls for backup up and in no time 10 police cars surround the stopped speeder. The sergeant on the scene appoaches the car
and orders the man to open his trunk. He does and it is empty.
The sergeant then asks for the man's driver's license. The man pulls out a valid license and vehicle registration. "I don't get it," the sergeant
says."My officer here says you told him you had no license or registration and that you stole this car."
The man shakes his head and says. " I bet that liar told you I was speeding too'"
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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David K
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To those who think the speed limit and their speedometer is God:
Unless you have a badge, society did not hire you to enforce speed laws by blocking others going faster than you want to. Wonder if someone back
behind you is trying to get to the hospital! Heart attack, baby coming, child injury... you don't know!
Slow people cause more accidents than fast people when they hog the road.
Today on I-5, everyone in the fast lane had to change lanes to get around someone who thought they had a right to control the speed and drove slower
than everyone else in the fast lane.
Have some manners, keep the fast lane unobstructed for faster traffic...!
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