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BajaLuna
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I agree BajaBoy. I moved away 20+ years ago, but every time I go home to SD I do notice more and more brown lawns. And houses with a lot more creative
landscaping of less water guzzling plants.
I'm curious...is this because of water awareness and organizations really getting the message out there to conserve and thus people trying to do their
part in the conservation of water or because the price of water has increased so much?
Rain harvesting is what it will all come down to sooner or later. However, the water company and any other organizations as well need to make water
barrels affordable for everyone. Perhaps they already do in SD? I see them for 20 bucks up here, they need to cost less, so more people will get
involved. Once in a blue moon the water company up here sells them for 10 bucks...but this needs to be all the time not just some times. They gotta
make the start-up costs affordable for people! Sometimes on craigslist you can find food-grade barrels for cheap.
Glad to hear, BajaBoy that people in BA are onboard for water conservation!! I DO conserve when I am there, and the Trotter's did plant a lot of
things that don't take a lot of water, yayyy!
Yep the sun for our power and rain for our water needs, seems so simple! Wow what a novel concept!
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Whale-ista
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thanks to everyone for an interesting discussion on water, drought, climate change etc.
We've wandered a bit away from Baja California, but at least we are still in California...hope the discussion police don't put a halt to this for
being too far afield...do we have discussion poice?
As for saving water SOB- it has been a matter of basic necessity for so long that most people who grow up in Baja do it automatically. When your
water is delivered via truck and stored in a big tank, or tends to run out periodically, you manage it differently.
What worries me are the newer developments, esp the Fonatur destination vacation communities that don't reflect local resources very well.
I've always wondered about Cabo: Where do they get their water? How is it treated before being disposed? Where do they dump the wastewater after
treatment? Is it reused?
Does anyone know?
(Confession: I have not been to Cabo since 1985, when it was still basically a small fishing village and the Finisterra Hotel was one of two "big"
places to stay...)
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
Appreciate you clearing that up for us. I will be sure and forward this link to the 97% of Climate Scientists (people who are actual scientists and
who study actual climate science) surveyed who obviously have it all wrong. I know they will be convinced to change their tune after hearing about
your first hand observations at shell island and your conspiracy theories about evil government trying to scam us out of every last dime so they can
continue their march to socialism. By the way which God is in control?
Respectfully,
elgatoloco
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Matt, you can call them 'climate scientists' if you want, but real scientists know that information gathering is continuous and scientist (real
scientists) don't for a minute claim the facts are indisputable or undebatable. How did the earth have warming (or cooling) oh heck, 'change' BEFORE
MAN???
Science is a continuous collection of data and as I said, the earth is dynamic, not static.
How does giving money to Al Gore's carbon credit company change ANYTHING other than to make him richer and you poorer... a scam is a scam is a scam.
Same goes for collecting more taxes for this...
As for the water issue, I have been promoting and installing drip and low flow sprinklers for over 30 years as a means to save water, money and your
gardens. Residential water use is a fraction of agricultural use. You want to eat something? It needs water! Using drip irrigation and MP Rotator
sprinklers are ways to get more use out of every gallon applied to the soil. No run-off, no wind loss, nearly every drop delivered to the root system
and not down the street, on your fence or on the driveway (they don't grow).
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane--------San Francisco and the Bay Area gets the "Yosemite water", mainly thru Hetch Hetchy, I understand.
A distant member of my Family is a DWP Foreman on the Owens Lake "water spreading" detail, and says they are doing the best they can. I don't really
personally know more than that, other than we canoe the Owens River now outside Independence, and down by Lone Pine----fun, fun!!!. That would have
been a dusty-effort in the old days.
I never even noticed the "air quality" being bad all the years I lived just outside Independence (1945 thru 1956), but admit I was only there during
the summer months, and not in the main windy times in Fall and Spring. My son, who has lived in Independence for 12 years full time says "dust" is
not a problem, in his mind, and he DOES have lung problems from birth (allergic to dust). People see things differently, of course.
On edit------As I said, some years the water-table drops, and trees die, or are stunted. I was not even aware of DWP planting trees, however.
Nothing works perfectly, even Nature. West Bishop is slightly elevated, and the water table drops disproportionately, I am told. LA is desparate for
water-----is it any surprise that they want more? Realistically they will try practically anything to get more water-------no surprise there!!!
You are mis-quoting DavidK (for effect???)-------he was not laughing at the drought, and you know it. Mis-quotes out of context like that are one of
the main causes of mis-information and bad feeling between people, IMO.
Barry
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Barry,
Yes San Francisco gets their water from Hetch Hetchy which I understand was a magnificent place before the dam. Mulholland wanted to dam up the
Yosemite Valley and he was serious! Again, I guess one could argue that all that water is wasted ---- not me, however.
Of course the DWP is saying they are doing all they can on the dust abatement, and they are also trying to stop much of it! And of course, LA wants
more and more water --- got to water all those golf courses, 
The planting of trees is the result of another law suit. One place they are planting them all neatly in a row like a tree farm is the corner on 395
on the other side of 168 from the Big Pine.
And please, I am NOT misquoting DK. I did not say he thought the drought was hilarious, I was referring to his thinking the declaration of the
drought emergency was hilarious. Sorry, but knowing how badly many people are hurting because of the drought and the declaration can help, I find
nothing "hilarious" about it. There was nothing for effect as you asked, I was seriously curious if you also think the declaration of a drought
emergency was hilarious.
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I think it is funny that just when Jerry Brown (a politician) declares a drought emergency, we next hear big wet rain is coming.
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Not the one big rain we had just after he made the declaration (which was hilarious), but what THIS thread (read it) is saying, Diana.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Contrails are water clouds created when the hot jet exhaust meets the icy cold air... not smoke. |
thank you for that irrelevant trivia |
That was YOUR web site, so you please stop with the irrelevant links...
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Timo1
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Same discussion , same players
After a few years of it , it grows old
This is a Baja forum
sold out and got out !!!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaLuna
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Rain harvesting is what it will all come down to sooner or later. However, the water company and any other organizations as well need to make water
barrels affordable for everyone. Perhaps they already do in SD? I see them for 20 bucks up here, they need to cost less, so more people will get
involved. Once in a blue moon the water company up here sells them for 10 bucks...but this needs to be all the time not just some times. They gotta
make the start-up costs affordable for people! Sometimes on craigslist you can find food-grade barrels for cheap.
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Several years ago we saw lots of individual rain water harvesting in the town of San Ignacio, Belize. Many places had very large tanks along side the
roof line and many used it for all their water needs including drinking water. They were not small barrels, they were LARGE tanks.
The climate there was similar to where we lived in Honduras where it rained every day for 1/2 the year and was super dry the other 1/2 a year. But
where we were they did extremely little to take advantage of the rainy season, so we had severe water restrictions during the dry season.
Good idea to save that rain.
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Barry A.
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Diane------exactly!!!! I submit that you are reading DavidK's post inaccurately. What he appears to me to be saying is that the big rain happening
right after the declaration of a drought was hilarious.
-------and the waters from the Yosemite Valley are NOT wasted-------they flow down the Merced River and are immediately captured in a big reservoir
(can't remember the name----(?Don Pedro?), and used for distribution over time to the Central Valley, etc.. That was NOT the case with the Owens
River-------it simply evaporated in the "sink" of the Owens Lake, and sinkholes to the south in flood years. May have been ducky for the local and
migrating animals, but did no good for the bulk of mankind, of which we are a part of, and also part of the natural scene.
(Jeeezo, this was a great thread, for a while anyway!)
Barry
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David K
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Barry, that is exactly what I said and how I meant it... but you read from left to right... instead of starting right, and always going LEFT! 
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BajaLuna
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DavidE, it is not JUST the responsibility of the Politicians etc to change things...it is up to ALL of us to conserve water, there needs to be some
personal responsibility too. It is up to each of us no matter where we live! The question is what are we each doing to be a part of the solution?
Granted the Politicians and water authorities do need to make changes in regards to water...I totally agree...and unfortunately to have enough water
for the masses and food growth this will have to be done...and mandatory regulations will have to be put into place, that's a no-brainer. But we each
have to take some personal responsibility. The earth sustains us, we need to do our part!
Whale-ista: good points!! We have a lot to learn from those who have lived a life of having to conserve water!
And let's not forget too that as more and more BIG FARMA moves into Mexico to grow food for import....there will be less water for the people. Scary!
The water wars have just begun...and it's gonna get ugly. REAL UGLY!
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DavidE
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"Same discussion , same players
After a few years of it , it grows old
This is a Baja forum"
Much apologies you keep turning knob and get same channel
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Osprey
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David E, you spelled the pogonip ice fog wrong. I go pogo.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane------exactly!!!! I submit that you are reading DavidK's post inaccurately. What he appears to me to be saying is that the big rain happening
right after the declaration of a drought was hilarious.
-------and the waters from the Yosemite Valley are NOT wasted-------they flow down the Merced River and are immediately captured in a big reservoir
(can't remember the name----(?Don Pedro?), and used for distribution over time to the Central Valley, etc.. That was NOT the case with the Owens
River-------it simply evaporated in the "sink" of the Owens Lake, and sinkholes to the south in flood years. May have been ducky for the local and
migrating animals, but did no good for the bulk of mankind, of which we are a part of, and also part of the natural scene.
(Jeeezo, this was a great thread, for a while anyway!)
Barry |
The water in the Owen's Valley was better off used here instead of grabbed mainly for the benefit of some very wealthy land developers in the San
Fernando valley --- but I guess you don't want anyone to disagree with you, so I won't. Read things as you want, that is your perogative as is your
opinion.
DavidE --- you mentioned wasting water in BA---well, lots of people used quite a bit of water to water the dirt to keep the dust down. I don't know
if that has changed with the new meters, but maybe. Those old washing machines waste a huge about of water, but water efficient ones are not going to
replace them soon.
There are also a lot of beautiful flower gardens around town that I bet are being watered in a more efficient way these days. It is all good,
especially since the water from the other side of Vizcaino is now also being shared La Bocana and Abreojos, and the farms near Vizcaino are growing
and using more water. I heard that there are plans to pave the road from BA to Abreojos and that just might increase development. Who knows, but
maybe someday they will have to go back to desal --- they had it in the past, but it was not a large enough system.
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The effects of an EL NIÑO ... would not be limited to just Baja ... just saying
And the ramifications deserve close study, at this time ... IMHO
Good to see there is a discussion on currents, water and its impact on the human species, and/or our concept of "living" ... a very delicate balance
which can change, every thing does ... it's called evolution ... good or bad
Important topic, as one can see 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
Same discussion , same players
After a few years of it , it grows old
This is a Baja forum |
and that sounds like a familiar complaint, eh
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p.s. it used to be that discussing the weather was polite small talk chit chat,... until the extremist wing of the GOP made weather a lightning rod
issue
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane------exactly!!!! I submit that you are reading DavidK's post inaccurately. What he appears to me to be saying is that the big rain happening
right after the declaration of a drought was hilarious.
-------and the waters from the Yosemite Valley are NOT wasted-------they flow down the Merced River and are immediately captured in a big reservoir
(can't remember the name----(?Don Pedro?), and used for distribution over time to the Central Valley, etc.. That was NOT the case with the Owens
River-------it simply evaporated in the "sink" of the Owens Lake, and sinkholes to the south in flood years. May have been ducky for the local and
migrating animals, but did no good for the bulk of mankind, of which we are a part of, and also part of the natural scene.
(Jeeezo, this was a great thread, for a while anyway!)
Barry |
The water in the Owen's Valley was better off used here instead of grabbed mainly for the benefit of some very wealthy land developers in the San
Fernando valley --- but I guess you don't want anyone to disagree with you, so I won't. Read things as you want, that is your perogative as is your
opinion.
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I welcome disagreement, Diana. The only thing I request is that we at least try to keep it honest, civil, and in context with each other.
On the Owens River "grab", I believe we can agree to disagree, based on our very different perspectives, priorities, and primary realities,
remembering that we heartily agree on the beauty and granduer (sp?) of Owens Valley and the Eastern Sierra itself.
Barry
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The thermometer reads "Seven Zero" degrees
No it doesn't!
Yes it does!
No it doesn't and I can prove my point!
How? Smarta$$
How? It depends on the meaning of the word 'Is"
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Barry A.
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Yep!!!!!
Barry
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No goat, we (high information voters) know the weather is a Natural Dynamic Event and never said it was 'warming/ cooling/ changing' to get people
worked up. The extremist wacko liberals (who won't be happy until we are all poor and trusting them with every decision of our lives) is who made it
an issue. Some of us are just passionate enough that we want EVERYONE to be free and unafraid of any false science that nobody can do a thing about,
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What is your obsession with Al Gore?
"...high information voters........extremist wacko liberals........passionate........free and unafraid...........false science......"
You crack me up. flocking ridiculous.
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elgatoloco
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Volcanoes -
Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions which is around 29 billion tonnes per year.
Scientific fact. 
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