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Ateo
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An excellent summary on GMO's:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201...
Unhealthy Fixation
The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. Labeling them will not make you safer
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Bajarat, with all due respect, I know I need to eat everyday and I'm competing with 5 billion other people for food (FIVE BILLION).
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wtf. Are you implying there's 2.3 BILLION 'breatherians' that walk amongst us!!??
http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock/
(1 MILLION (NET!) additional humans turn up on this planet every 4.5-5 days)
Enjoy it while we can.
[Edited on 8-11-2015 by bezzell]
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As a scientist with a Ph.D. in organic chemistry and 20+ years in medical and biotechnology research, I've never seen any credible research to back up
the anti-GMO claims.
GMO concerns are mostly a first-world problem for wealthy folk who suffer from overeating and obesity rather than starvation. For poor people in
areas such as sub-Saharan Africa, drought- and disease-resistant GMO crops mean the difference between life and death. In that respect, Monsanto
saves more lives than the Red Cross.
That said, I support labeling GMO products as such. Why not?
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Global population is decreasing according to US Census
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That chart refers to growth rate (i.e. how fast the population is growing). The population is still growing, just at a slower rate.
In an absolute sense, a very large population growing at a slower rate is just as impactful as a small population growing at a faster rate.
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The interesting thing about that chart is that it may show the impact of the birth control pill on population growth rates. The Pill was introduced
in the 1960's.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chupacabra |
+1
As a scientist with a Ph.D. in organic chemistry and 20+ years in medical and biotechnology research, I've never seen any credible research to back up
the anti-GMO claims.
GMO concerns are mostly a first-world problem for wealthy folk who suffer from overeating and obesity rather than starvation. For poor people in
areas such as sub-Saharan Africa, drought- and disease-resistant GMO crops mean the difference between life and death. In that respect, Monsanto
saves more lives than the Red Cross.
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You haven't seen research testing that show harmful affects of GMO because FDA does not require testing of GMO foods which is the issue of concern.
Why not?
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/five-ways-fda-has-fail...
While internationally people are calling for GMO research and testing to be required by the FDA instead of "voluntary consulting".
There is a body of research that shows that some GMOs do cause health issues, obviously one must take each on a case by case basis.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/prop37/pages/67/attach...
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WTF!!? That's growth RATE.
ye gods man! No wonder you're on the same page as Snr Shell Island re climate. (The brain is fueled by GLUCOSE. SUGAR!!) Eat copious amounts of whole
plant-based SUGAR! just sayin' 
You have any idea what the graph looks like re 8000BC - 1950 ??
wow
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Chupacabra
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I was kinda thinking the same thing but didn't want to be rude. If one doesn't understand the simple mathematical concept of change versus rate of
change, then one is probably not equipped to delve into deeper scientific concepts and issues without be highly vulnerable to misleading information
and propaganda.
It's important to know what you know, but it's equally important to know what you don't know.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chupacabra |
As a scientist with a Ph.D. in organic chemistry and 20+ years in medical and biotechnology research, I've never seen any credible research to back up
the anti-GMO claims.
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I've recently read that the GMO Monsanto seeds that produce plants that are resistant to Roundup and therefore allows farmers to spray Roundup
directly on the crops is resulting in food that contains the active ingredient of Roundup in amounts that exceed allowable limits and therefore is
illegal to sell. To fix this problem the FDA raised allowable limits.
Does this concern you?
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NO.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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"I've never seen any credible research to back up the anti-GMO claims."
You must have your head in the sand.
Farmers are now using more pesticides than a decade ago.
GMO corn has far less nutrition than non-GMO.
GM crop pollen affects insects and other wildlife
Monsanto should not be allowed to poison the earth for profit any longer.
Teach the people in poor countries how to farm sustainably and responsibly. BILLIONS of dollars are given to poor countries - make it count.
Hand-outs are not the answer.
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/gmos/reportsandpublications/...
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Me Neither....
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From the National Institute of Health:
"Upon the introduction of herbicide tolerant genetically modified organisms (GMOs), designed to tolerate Roundup and to accumulate unusual levels of
its residues, Roundup quickly became the major pesticide in the world and a major food or feed contaminant [10]."
"Roundup was among the most toxic herbicides and insecticides tested. Most importantly, 8 formulations out of 9 were up to one thousand times more
toxic than their active principles. Our results challenge the relevance of the acceptable daily intake for pesticides because this norm is calculated
from the toxicity of the active principle alone. Chronic tests on pesticides may not reflect relevant environmental exposures if only one ingredient
of these mixtures is tested alone."
"It is commonly believed that Roundup is among the safest pesticides. This idea is spread by manufacturers, mostly in the reviews they promote [39,
40], which are often cited in toxicological evaluations of glyphosate-based herbicides. However, Roundup was found in this experiment to be 125 times
more toxic than glyphosate. Moreover, despite its reputation, Roundup was by far the most toxic among the herbicides and insecticides tested. This
inconsistency between scientific fact and industrial claim may be attributed to huge economic interests, which have been found to falsify health risk
assessments and delay health policy decisions [41]."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955666/
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If you can believe the anti-GMO literature, it's amazing that we're all still alive.
Living Large in Loreto. Off-grid and happy.
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"If you can believe the anti-GMO literature, it's amazing that we're all still alive."
Or you're not eating a lot of GMO corn and soybeans, and using GMO-tainted corn oil, etc. We have choices in supermarkets, which is why some people
eat organic, and why it is IMPORTANT TO LABLE GMO foods, read labels and know where our food is coming from. We may be alive, but the earth is dying,
and people are on more medications than ever. Polluted farmland, rivers, air, oceans. We can't ignore these things forever.
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Well, you can still be alive and have a tumor blossoming in the middle of your brain.
I wasn't concerned about GMOs because of my ignorance about the subject. Then toneart brought it up and I did a bit of reading.
What I'm zeroing in on is not a harmful effect of a GMO per se, but instead the toxicity of the food supply caused by the use of GMO seeds that are
resistant to Roundup, thus allowing the application directly upon the food/feed crop which then absorbs the toxin.
The study I referenced above was published last year. This is a relatively new concern.
Be cavalier about it if you like. Or speak up:
http://act.thenhf.com/5948/us-gmo-foods-petition/
[Edited on 8-12-2015 by SFandH]
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
I've recently read that the GMO Monsanto seeds that produce plants that are resistant to Roundup and therefore allows farmers to spray Roundup
directly on the crops is resulting in food that contains the active ingredient of Roundup in amounts that exceed allowable limits and therefore is
illegal to sell. To fix this problem the FDA raised allowable limits.
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No, not at all.
Glyphosate (Roundup) has been in widespread use since the 1970's, and has been proven to be one of the safest and most environmentally benign
pesticides when used responsibly. It has low environmental persistence, and is degraded by soil microorganisms. It's pretty benign stuff.
In other words, almost half a century of use and the horrors have yet to materialize. For example, in 2013 the European Food Safety Authority
published a major report that concluded "the data is contradictory and far from convincing." With close to 50 years of widespread manufacturing,
formulation, distribution, and use of glyphosate, any safety risks would be abundantly clear.
Anyone can dig up studies where whopping amounts of the substance were applied to cells in a lab (known as in-vitro testing) and something happened,
but this is true of almost any substance. You can make anything look toxic in a lab under the right circumstances, even water. The trick is having
the knowledge and background to interpret such studies, and understanding that they don't translate into real life 99.9% of the time.
Toxicological evaluation shows that a human must ingest almost half a cup of pure Roundup before seeing any ill effects. So no, I'm not particularly
worried about 5 parts per million in a carrot.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What I'm zeroing in on is not a harmful effect of a GMO per se, but instead the toxicity of the food supply caused by the use of GMO seeds that are
resistant to Roundup, thus allowing the application directly upon the food/feed crop which then absorbs the toxin.
The study I referenced above was published last year. This is a relatively new concern.
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You misinterpreted the study you referenced. At the risk of sounding douchy, this is what happens when lay people try to interpret primary scientific
literature.
Your reference found glyphosate to be relatively harmless to the cell lines tested. What the paper found is that the other, so-called inert
ingredients used in pesticide formulations can be toxic to cells. This isn't surprising at all, since these formations may contain inert ingredients
such as alcohols, etc.
If you put a drop of rubbing alcohol on these same cells they would all die instantly. In fact, if you put rubbing alcohol (or whisky for that
matter) through the battery of tests that glyphosate has been through, it would look like the most dangerous chemical known to man. Obviously rubbing
alcohol doesn't cause cancer and isn't an impending environmental disaster.
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One final thing: You also misinterpreted the source of some of the research you quoted. It's not from the National Institute of Health. The NIH
simply runs the website that abstracts scientific journals called PUBMED.
The paper is from a CRIIGEN, which is a French anti-GMO group. Most of the work from the primary author Seralini has already been found to be
fraudulent and the papers were retracted by the journal.
Read about it here, and PLEASE carefully consider who you get your information from. You are being lied to, and not be me 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9ralini_affair
This is pretty off-topic for BN so I won't comment further on this thread. I do appreciate that people are thinking about these things, so thank you
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