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Marty Mateo
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In July the airport p.a. system was on constant repeat saying mask wearing was mandatory, in late November no such announcement .
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Quote: Originally posted by Marty Mateo  | | In July the airport p.a. system was on constant repeat saying mask wearing was mandatory, in late November no such announcement .
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They also had signs up saying it was mandatory. Still had them up in October. Very few wore them.
I'm seeing a lot more ppl wear them at the grocery store.
Only place I've seen enforcing them in the last year is my local vet. They have several older Drs.
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With the triple demic upon us, lets hope all will take heed and act accordingly for themselves and even more for others.
So simple. May it remain so on this forum.
Happy Holidays to all and to all a healthy and happy New Year so we can continue to treasure Baja as it so richly deserves.
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I often see sick people out in public w/o masks. One would think people would have learned. People are stupid.
Woke!
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Some people choose to remain ignorant. The difference between ignorance and stupidity can be a fine line sometimes. I tend to try to give ignorance a
break and hope they wise up before they learn the hard way.
Karma can be a beyatch for those who know better and still persist in, for whatever reasons, spout their misguided ramblings from known compromised
sources.
Peace to all and to all a happy holidays.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surfhat | Some people choose to remain ignorant. The difference between ignorance and stupidity can be a fine line sometimes. I tend to try to give ignorance a
break and hope they wise up before they learn the hard way.
Karma can be a beyatch for those who know better and still persist in, for whatever reasons, spout their misguided ramblings from known compromised
sources.
Peace to all and to all a happy holidays. |
Yes I went to a concert yesterday in San Diego. It was sold out so maybe 1,000 people. I would say 5% had a mask. I wore one but truthfully think they
are probably useless.
BTW this was a performance by the San Diego Gay Men`s Chorus. They were accompanied by a group of homeless people who received a standing ovation for
their wonderful singing. I have no idea who the performers and audience are listening to or being influenced by. Nor do I have any idea who the
ignorant, misguided and stupid people they consider a reliable, uncompromised source are.
Wonderful concert, hope all in the San Diego area make it next year or sooner. The SDGMC will be performing soon in Tijuana and then on to Mexico
City.
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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What you "think" regarding the efficacy of masks in preventing disease transmission is irrelevant. They have been scientifically proven to drastically
reduce transmission. And the rise in infection rate when mask mandates were scrapped is scientifically documented.
If masks were "useless", do you really think nurses and doctors would have been wearing them for the past hundred years? They don't just wear them for
fun.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Which is why BornFisher's comment is mostly correct; wearing a surgical mask, a poorly-fitted N-95 mask, or wearing a good mask with bad protocols,
doesn't do much to protect us from the maskless Typhoid (COVID) Marías in the crowd. |
Well, obviously a poorly fitting mask, wearing a thin cotton bandana as a mask, wearing it under one's nose, or constantly fiddling with it so you
introduce whatever pathogens might be on your hands into the mask is useless. But a well-fitting mask of proper materials definitely helps to protect
the wearer from the Typhoid Marys. I have lots of friends and family who have suffered through Covid and many who haven't contracted it (including
me). All were fully vaccinated. The common factor with the ones who got it opposed to the ones who haven't, was the former slacked off on wearing
masks in public places, house parties, etc. Most knew exactly where they had picked it up and felt stupid for ignoring putting a mask on in high-risk
situations.
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Here on Cape Cod, many people - myself included - have gone maskless for the better part of a year, although my wife and I have been careful to remain
vaxxed and boosted. I ended up with Covid in September after my first business trip in over 3 years. It was a mild case, but I should have skipped the
conference once I learned it was strictly in-person. Holiday parties at my workplace start in earnest this week, and I'll be skipping those.
Speaking of my workplace (Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution), rumor has it that one of the research vessels in our fleet is on lock-down due to Covid. The Corpulent
Soprano shows no sign of being done with her singing role.
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"The Most Important Dataset of the Pandemic Was Just Released" https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-most-important-...
"The Most Important Dataset of the Pandemic Was Just Released" https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-most-important-dataset-of-the
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People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study
If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.
Those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers
examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.
They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was
transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea,
though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.
The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes
risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.
Of course, skipping a COVID vaccine does not mean that someone will get into a car crash. Instead, the authors theorize that people who resist
public health recommendations might also “neglect basic road safety guidelines.”
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Goat,
So a Canadian study showed that people who don’t believe everything the government comes around selling without question are more of a danger to
public safety than are drunks?
Those researchers have never driven in Mexico where even which side of the road to drive on is only a suggestion. ( Not even a strong suggestion
either!)
I did find an abstract of the study and one thing does stand out. For those of us over 65 there was a slightly lower risk of a traffic accident for
those who were unvaccinated. Not a big reduction but a reduction also the only one shown which is why it jumped out.
I’ll wait to read the study prior to speculating about the why of this!
Post the link please, I’d love to read this one!
[Edited on 12-14-2022 by RFClark]
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study
If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.
Those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers
examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.
They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was
transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea,
though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.
The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes
risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.
Of course, skipping a COVID vaccine does not mean that someone will get into a car crash. Instead, the authors theorize that people who resist
public health recommendations might also “neglect basic road safety guidelines.”
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in Mexico, people with Chocolate car plates (cars illegally in the country) are the most aggressive, least law following drivers. Since there are no
studies in Mexico (a Republican dream of "less government" country).
On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself.
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself. |
Amen!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself. |
Amen!
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I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a
change! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo |
I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a
change! |
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself. |
There are 2 categories of risk taking, though, and they are quite different. There are risks, the outcomes of which only affect the person deciding to
take the risk. If one's risk-taking instead has a strong potential to negatively affect others, there is nothing "good" about those risk takers.
You can sit and chain smoke by yourself in your home, and that doesn't harm others, so no one else needs to be peed off about it.(Although it puts a
strain on the medical system if smoking makes you ill)
But if you sit and chain smoke next to your baby's crib, there is nothing "good" about that risk taking behavior, nor does it advance society.
If you want to take the risk not to be vaccinated, fine, but then you don't have the right to put other people's health at risk by going out and about
in public maskless, because your risk-taking affects others and people have a good reason to be pee'd off at you.
Wanna drive without your seatbelt on, have at it. The risk of dying in a car accident because you take that risk doesn't lead to anyone else possibly
dying, just you. But deciding to take the risk of not strapping your child in securely is not your risk to decide to take.
We constantly weigh risks. I have never had a flu shot, even though I am over 70. But I consider my risk of catching a dangerous case of the flu to be
low, as I have a strong immune system and haven't had the flu in 25 years, despite being around people who do. And if I were to get the flu, I would
stay home, not go out spreading it around, so the risk is purely my own.
But I don't consider getting or unknowingly spreading Covid to be an acceptable risk, either for myself, nor for others I might infect, so I am
vaccinated and wear a mask indoors in public places.
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L,
Dah!
I read this abstract it had some real data attached.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36470796/
I wanted to see if there was a link to the actual paper in the AJOM!
Harold,
Mexico has way more government but way less enforcement unless you pee off someone. Or if need electricity and perhaps a well.
Below is the forest plot of relative risks! Anything jump out at you?
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo |
I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a
change! |
On the subject of bad and irresponsible drivers. Not sure how you think bad driving is “advancing a society”…. 
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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Goat,
Winning a “Darwin” always advances society. Unfortunately sometimes the wrong person gets it.
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